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Post by damned on Dec 19, 2011 22:19:26 GMT -5
Well the guy above me apparently got it to work perfectly fine. Look at what he wrote. He said he didn't need to skip the dialogue at all. Also, we should not have to do these adhoc ways of getting the game to work. If Legends 1 and 2 work perfectly fine (that is if I can trust what people on the internet who tested the game say it does), then why not this game? The one thing that really pisses me off, is that, it says on a compatibility list for epxse, that this game works "100% perfect".
Umm, no, mr. compatibility list guy, it does not work 100% perfect. Did you just play until the title screen and just assume "Oh the rest of the game must work 100% flawlessly!". I seriously hate these kinds of people. Play the entire ****ing game before you say it works flawlessly. All it does is piss people like me off when I expect the game to function fine, then have to spend an eternity trying to get it to work right.
Please, look up what the word perfect means. It means without fault. That does not mean, minor errors, "Oh it mostly works but you need to do this in order to avoid a freeze", or even, "this one spot has a couple of problems but the rest of the game is fine!". Perfect means perfect.
If I ran an emulator and had a compatibility list, it would be thoroughly checked by individuals to ensure accuracy. Anyone who reported "100% accurate", when it was not the case would be instantly banned from posting anything on that list. Either play through the entire game before you find out how compatible it is with the emulator, look up perfect in the dictionary, or find something to do with your life other than trolling people into getting annoyed that their favorite games do not indeed work perfectly.
Uhhh, yeah...Sorry for the rant, but I needed to get this off my chest.
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Post by blayze16 on Dec 20, 2011 7:06:53 GMT -5
It's okay, MoTB is not alone. Have you tried the using other video plugins (preferably the DX6 D3D plugin or plain D3D plugin?
I get sound errors on Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius and Monster Rancher 2 (audio is slower).
Oh and pSX results. -No visual glitches. Skipping needed on speech. black screen on pause. Video quality is on par with PEOPS. Sound plays normally.
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Post by damned on Dec 20, 2011 13:03:09 GMT -5
Then the game is not perfect and should not be listed as perfect. Also, I got the game to work flawlessly on POPS, Sony's official emulator, so no, it has nothing to do with the game being unstable, it does have to do with emulation errors. It should be listed in a compatibility list as "Unstable, prone to various freezes during dialogue sequences and other parts of the game.", not "100% perfect".
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Post by damned on Dec 20, 2011 20:17:34 GMT -5
Seeing as how much trouble I have had, and after reading up on the internet how many other people have had, I VERY highly doubt this individual didn't run across this problem at least once in their endeavors.
Also, the game works fine on POPS. I played it through that emulator 100%, beat every mission, and did all the servebot training and sidequests. No problems, no crashes, no graphics glitches, no sound glitches. All working just like it should on the original PS1 hardware.I played on 3.72 and made the EBOOT from my own disc image ripped from clonecd. I suspect people having issues with the game played it on a different firmware version, or made their EBOOT with a bad EBOOT maker.
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Post by damned on Dec 23, 2011 2:25:43 GMT -5
Yes I got the game to work flawlessly on the PSP. I ripped my disc using CloneCD, made the EBOOT with PSX2PSP version 1.2, and used POPS version 3.72.
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Post by Adrian2040 on Dec 23, 2011 15:45:19 GMT -5
That's very strange. Do you know if MML2 PAL version hangs on that "config" or not? From online and personal experience, I'm pretty sure MML2 hangs after going up ladders, making it impossible to beat. Only in the PAL version. And holy cow, I managed to RUN MoTB with POPS, but there always was some kind of a problem. I'll try your config out and based on what I get, I'll update the FAQ. I remember once wanting to play MML2 Portable and in English, so I tried it with the PSP's POPS emulator. It only hanged if I went to the lowest part of the Flutter and then climb the ladder back up from there. There was nothing crucial or really helpful down there, so I could finish the game (for the nth time, but portably) as long as I didn't go to the lowest deck of the Flutter.
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Post by Adrian2040 on Dec 23, 2011 17:27:35 GMT -5
Was that with a PAL or a NTSC copy? NTSC works perfectly fine on POPS. It was the NTSC version. I never bought the PAL version of the game because I never needed to.
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Post by Adrian2040 on Feb 9, 2012 17:27:36 GMT -5
I know some people are just trying to use the emulator to play MoTB with their original disc, but by instructing users on how to make it work you are also instructing other users on how to make a pirated version work.
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Post by Adrian2040 on Feb 9, 2012 18:20:02 GMT -5
Using emulators themselves is not illegal. You can get the bios from a real hardware and you can rip your own disc, this making playing a game competely legit using emulators. I, for one do know how to get a bios off from a console. Not EVERY console, but quite a few. Learn your facts before you try your hands at moderating. EDIT: and while I'm at it, if you buy a PS1 game from PSN, you'll get all the necessary files needed to play PS1 games on your PSP legitly. My work is done here. Some people actually get the BIOS from the Internet. Also, some people actually do not have the game. I assume we are not in a position to know if someone is lying or not about owning the game. It is true that you are not giving complete instructions on how to pirate the game, but you're still giving partial instructions. While using an emulator is in itself legal, you know very well that many people use it for illegal purposes. (Also, making a back-up of your own game is now considered illegal. It's always written in the games' manuals' warning section.)
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Post by Yadda on Feb 9, 2012 21:52:31 GMT -5
Just gonna add... The only 'illegal' part as far as I know is circumvention of copy protection, under the DMCA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no copy protection on the software side on PSOne games as far as I know, only on the hardware side, that being a checksum read that only prevents the playing of CD-Rs on original hardware.
Now, getting the BIOS may or may not be a violation of the DMCA, depending on the means needed to get it, and if Sony deliberately used some sort of software or hardware obfuscation to prevent the obtainment of the BIOS. And even then, depending on if the files you get from the PSN when you get a PSOne game are encrypted or not, that even may be a moot point.
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Post by Adrian2040 on Feb 10, 2012 0:45:13 GMT -5
Just gonna add... The only 'illegal' part as far as I know is circumvention of copy protection, under the DMCA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no copy protection on the software side on PSOne games as far as I know, only on the hardware side, that being a checksum read that only prevents the playing of CD-Rs on original hardware. So you are saying that playing pirated PSOne games is good and legal? I don't buy it. There must be something that should easily beat that argument.
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Hold the line.
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Post by Yadda on Feb 10, 2012 1:51:45 GMT -5
No, what I'm saying is that making a backup copy of the game with your own disc, getting the BIOS legally (this still depends on if the BIOS is copy-protected in any way, which still hasn't been clarified) and then playing said backup copy with an emulator is legal. Pirating the game still falls under theft and, of course, piracy.
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Post by Mikéy on Feb 10, 2012 2:03:53 GMT -5
That was a bit irrelevant, Adrian. This topic isn't about pirating things, it's about fixing settings to make an emulator work correctly. Quite frankly, I'm beginning to question your sudden interest to shut the thread down... especially since you've taken part in it. Giving advice to make ePSXe to work correctly with a rom is not exactly illegal, y'know. Even though the rom itself is typically obtained in a "wink wink nudge nudge" manner, it's not anybody's position to assume that's the case. Calling roms themselves illegal is unfair in the case also, since there might as well not be a topic about emulation at all. At this point, the thread's gotten way off topic. It's not up to you to decide what's right or wrong, and admittedly, it's not up to me either! Like Truner said, if what was being discussed in this topic went against rule #4, it would've been shut down a long time ago. I'm guessing, 4 years ago, when it started; if you want to get technical... Long before you were even a member here. So, just drop it. Phantom edit: Several people seem to disagree with what you have to say as well. I'm sure you don't want me to throw rule #2 into the equation.
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Meddling with Legends 1, Legends 2 and Mega Man 64 data.
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Post by Trege on Feb 10, 2012 2:06:08 GMT -5
Isn't this kind of getting off topic most people want to figure out how to get MoTB running at 100%.
I had to use original hardware I never could get the emulators working fully on this game, I think the farthest I got was with Eternal Lite SPU sound plugin, and maybe past the intro but it likely froze somewhere else along the way.
As a fun fact some people use emulators for games they own because you can make the game look a bit better with higher resolutions and filtering.
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Post by Adrian2040 on Feb 10, 2012 14:49:44 GMT -5
The PSN files are obtainable by a simple copy-paste. Nothing protects them. Same goes for the PS1 BIOS, however, that is a lot harder to get. I was thinking about throwing a Minor Infraction #04, but I'm not a mod/admin, so I will not do it. Next time you go around throwing rules, be sure you get your facts right. And don't accuse other people doing illegal stuff. You risk the chance of offending someone you don't want. #4: Do NOT provide tips on how to perform illegal activities on the forums! Even if it was done in an unintentional manner, your tips are also helping some people to perform illegal activities. I know it can be done legally, but there are also many ways to twist steps or even take them directly in order to do it illegally. The steps are way too similar and sometimes even identical. People can even steal the PSN files if they wanted to. Everything can be stolen, but your tips are helping thieves achieve their goal of "success". Also, I'm pretty sure someone has had used these tips for piracy. With so many users (especially lurkers), I believe possibilities say that it is most possible that it has happened. And don't tell me not to accuse people of doing illegal stuff after you posted the following: "It's not my problem if you say that I'm giving out illegal instructions. Maybe they're illegal, because you yourself are using my instructions for illegal stuff?". Hypocrisy is a horrible thing. I never pointed any fingers I can't think of anybody here that might have pirated it. I'm just sure at least one person, maybe even a lurker, has done it due to possibilities. I'm not going to deny that I used to pirate games when I was smaller because everyone in my country does. People in my country deny that it's a crime, but I fully accept that I was at one point a thief. However, I can't change my past. Thus, the only thing I can do is continue to redeem myself by helping in the future and buying everything original, even extremely old games I already beat and owned pirated. And for your information, I never pirated MoTB. I actually bought that one new when it was released. Same thing for the other Legends games.
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