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Post by Santa Melty on Aug 22, 2005 21:51:12 GMT -5
I enjoy cartoonish styles as well, but I’ve learned that cartooinish does not always mean undetailed. For example, check out some of the art for games like Sky Gunner or Phantom Brave. Cartoonish, yes, but still very detailed. Balance is key. Detail, yet lack of detail. Or rather, deviation from realism. Something like that. A distorted version of reality? I know this one, don’t tell me. Cartoonish drawings are spawned from... from... an imagination that... well, you have to be able to represent what reality is using means that... that... Fine, so I don’t really know. What am I, your teacher? Am I here to educate you? Figure it out yourself. Simplistic is fine. Your line art is pretty good, and it’s not that the there is too much contrast, but rather, too quickly. I actually like cell-shading styles best, but on such a small image, it looks a little too heavily shadowed. I criticize because I wish to help. Won’t get any better without some of it, eh? Sorry if I sound harsh at times. Besides, it’s mostly just picking at details. Unless you’re Fab’s Gesselshaft, or something of the like, you can expect to get picked on for some imperfections. Ah well, you know, all that imperfection and beautiful stuff. Anyway, why not try drawing a character or two using a professionally done base, like with your sprites? That seems to help me when I’m trying to pick out what details I’m missing in my own coloring/drawing. I actually have a bunch of fan art I’ve yet to post, but that’s because I dislike most of them, I figure that if I post a bunch of art at once, people will be too overwhelmed by their sheer numbers to notice their cheapness. Two people responded you say? And I’m one of them? I feel special. o.o
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Post by pitch on Aug 22, 2005 22:13:19 GMT -5
lol, actually a bunch of other people responded just today. XD, but most of it was just an explanation of what vector graphics are... don't ask. actually it kinda comes into play in what I tried to do with these particular chibis.. Ya know, like how vectors are used in Flash animations, and the characters are pretty simple shaded like? That's really what I was goin for - even though I didn't use any vectors, nor do I plan on doing a flash animation. I should be clearer. lol ...though I suppose I could draw on more details... I only did spend 15 minutes drawing the picture... well maybe in my next big project. ...you can probably guess what I'm planning on chibifying next. <.< yeah if I sound like I'm like offended or anything by whatchya say, don't worry about that. like I said before, I should be clearer. ..and using bases... for a drawing? o.O Naw, I seriously doubt that would work. I've seen people do that and it rarely if ever turns out any good at all. Because then you have to conform to the artist's style and it doesn't always match up right. and lastly, if you have fanart, POST IT! lol, I mean seriously why not? My art sucked, but I posted it anyway.. well actually I only did that as an excuse to ask if I could post my sprites as "Fan Art" because I'm too shy to actually PM any of the staff... wait what? I mean, yeah, I posted my stuff even though it sucked because I thought it was cool!
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Post by Santa Melty on Aug 22, 2005 22:27:11 GMT -5
Because, like I said, I want to wait until I have a ton together, and then post them. I have about 9 pictures of various characters done, and about 6 more inked and waiting for me to give a coloring job, including a couple of scenes, which take forever. Right now, I think I have one scene, a bunch of full-body character shots, and one picture of Glyde’s head with a moustache. My line art is what really needs work. I have one picture of Fortuna, for example, with insanely thick line art, which I should have thinned when I was coloring, but forgot to. Ruined the whole thing in my opinion. Not like I’m going to go back and fix it. Not like I have the time. Vector graphics? Never heard of them. What are they?
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Post by pitch on Aug 22, 2005 22:38:11 GMT -5
I wanna see a pic of Fortuna.. phunny I try to make my line arts thicker. XD Okie Dokie. I have to explain vectors now? wow. Vector graphics are a different type of image. They're not quite like pixels. It's kinda geometric stuff. I'm still not sure how exactly it works, but like ya know how if ya zoom in on a circle in Paint, it'll show up close that it's made up of tiny squares, aka pixels? Vectors aren't like that. You can zoom in, rotate, whatever you like, and it'll RE-draw the image with the same proportions. The downside is that I don't think they can be used for very high res stuff. I dunno, I'm not the best at explaining it. Hit up wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphicsEDIT: While I somehow doubt anyone's gunna look at this topic between now and v3, little progress update. I've decided to include two more characters into the mix; not that that's all too surprising since eventually this'll probably be a massive collaborative poster sized thing with just about everyone in it. But I've chibified Yuna and Sera now and I must say they look good. Maybe I'll post them up once I CG 'em, but I'd much rather wait until I finish Trigger(Who's proven to be harder to CG than I'd have thought), Servbot and Data, and post it up as a big image. EDIT-O Well I've completed(if you'd call it that) CG chibi Yuna and Sera. I kinda like 'em, so if anyone would like to see them individually before I get to finishing the whole massive image, here ya go: img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Pitch_EXE/yunansera.png (<-half sized) I'm not gunna bump the topic for this one though, cuz I'm not too psyched about it. It has a psychedelic background though. ^-^
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Post by Edwardo Rocket on Aug 28, 2005 10:27:13 GMT -5
Sera looks depressed. As per usual. I LOVE EET
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Post by pitch on Aug 28, 2005 10:35:21 GMT -5
lol, she's not so much depressed as she is annoyed. Glad you like it though! ;D Looking back at it I realize I made Yuna and Sera's expressions practically identical to my emoticons of them. lol Now who's next on my agenda here... Any Legends character anyone want me to do? EDIT: as of this writing, I'm done with all the character's I've chibified... I think... let's do the list. MegaMan Tron Roll Yuna Sera Me Servbot & Data I'm going to redo the background before I throw it all together again. Gunna try to anyway.
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Post by Dashe on Aug 28, 2005 20:53:23 GMT -5
Yuna and Sera...why am I not surprised ... Are they in the ? ? ? area? The background looks great, and I love Sera's expression--though the shading on her face kind of abruptly stops somewhere near her chin if you haven't noticed. As for requests...TEISEL!!! (If you're up to the challenge). Ever since Shelldragon disappeared there's been a shortage of Teisel fanart around here. If you don't feel like drawing Teisel, then draw Bon. And Tron. The Bonne family rules. EDIT: OMG I've got it--BON BONNE EMOTICONS!!! That would be really awesome if you could pull it off!
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Post by pitch on Aug 28, 2005 23:39:47 GMT -5
Actually the background is just thrown in there so they're not on a plain white background. They're also going to be part this image as soon as I figure out a better way to handle that cursed background!! >.> The background in the Yuna and Sera picture is just some fancy effect in Paint Shop Pro that I found while I was playing around. Teisel actually was next on my list, along with Barrel. I can't believe I forgot about Bon though... so many characters @_@ I know I'm going for a massive image but I don't think my computer will be able to handle them all!! As for emotions of Bon, I suppose I could make a few, but it's kinda hard since he's perpetually got that... thing in his mouth. edit: oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I forgot to fix Sera's shading on her face. lol, I'll probably get to it before I throw this whole thing together. EDIT: Well I'm determined to get something up before the week starts because it means I won't be able to do any work on it till the next weekend. Unfortunately, the results of that didn't turn out as good as I'd have hoped. I had to make the image much larger which meant I had to make a new background which looks uber crappy. I realized I made Yuna and Sera MUCH larger than the other characters, despite my attempts at making them the same size(I was able to shrink them down a little though). The end result was this big crappy mess, but you can see the cruddy shading on the Chibis all together so you have that to look forward to. Wicked small version(~1/5 full size)(225KB)crazy big sized version(~3/4 full size)(800+KB)I'm trying to find a happy alternative size since the second is ridiculous and the first really looks messed up, but since this is just a temp I feel no need to put any more effort into this at this time.. I question why I'm even posting this actually. Well enjoy if you can. lol Don't think of this as the finished product because I have MASSIVE plans for this one, but unfortunately, school work amongst other things is gunna set me back on this one for quite a while.
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Post by Santa Melty on Aug 29, 2005 0:57:51 GMT -5
My... That looks amazingly smooth at that size. I’d say it’s an improvement, what with the new background. It looks a little more saturated and colorful. Everything seems to be coming along well. The Sera and Yuna pictures are pretty good. I never could get their hair right. I’d have the characters in the back somewhat smaller though, as it gives the illusion of perspective. Whatever you add in next, try and make it so that they are doing something. For example, if you wanted to draw the rest of the Bonnes, try putting them in the background with the Gesselshaft or Gustaff. Or perhaps, if you do the Master, you could shade him against the sky, making him look all surreal and mystical. Or, perhaps you could do the Reaverbots, all piled in a stack with their eyes facing towards the viewer. I love pictures with a bunch of things happening at once. It makes it seem alive. How the sun came out like that, shall never understand. Did you intentionally make it lumpy, or were you trying to make it round? I larger brush might help make it look smoother. And I still don’t know how you did the textures on the grass and clouds... Probably some arcane filter or brush I’ve yet to find. There is definitely potential for this scene though. I tried a drawing with a similar idea once, with all of the characters on the screen doing something or other, but I never got around to finishing it, mostly because I felt that I needed more practice before I could do the concept justice. I’ll be waiting for your completed version. o.o
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Post by pitch on Sept 10, 2005 13:28:27 GMT -5
See Bottomo.O where'd my post go...? I swear I posted this morning! o.o Well I really should consider shrinking some of the characters down, since this image at full size is 2000x1800(o.o), lol. But yeah, I did consider using some perspective, but . . . well yeah, this was uber rushed. I'll take that into consideration for v3. Well, the main focus of the picture was supposed to be Tron and Roll fighting over MegaMan, but I do have some ideas in mind for other characters(not gunna give anything away yet). But yeah, it's gunna take me FOREVER to get those done now that the week's started. Plus... other stuff. But yeah, I have lotsa cool stuff in mind. If you wanna suggest something though, I'd be happy to listen. Maybe it'll be better than what I have in mind. Actually the Sun was done with the largest brush I could use. I probably should've used another Sunburst like I did with the last one; not quite sure why I didn't but yeah. The background in this one was more rushed than the other one, and it was just a ditch effort really, in a vain attempt to get something up for you guys(I feel like I've been short changing ya'll by posting all the characters up one by one, but I'm trying to learn how to get better so yeah...). And waiting, and waiting and waiting. lol I kinda doubt I'll be done with this thing even months from now - since it's my first CGing experience, but also since I keep thinking of new stuff to do. Initially I was just gunna have Tron and MegaMan and Roll, with myself in the corner, and that was going to be ALL. Then I figured a Servbot and Data might be a nice touch. Then Yuna and Sera(which was more for my own enjoyment I'll admit). Now I have plans for... Barrel, Teisel, Von Bluecher, an NPC who I suspect of being a pirate, Matilda, another NPC who'll be added for a nice touch, Bon Bonne(don't know exactly what I'm going to do with him yet), the Master, Glyde, and a birdbot. And all that on a MML related background(which I'm going to draw then color in, instead of just playing around with stupid effects). Then I'm probably going to end up RE-shading them all once I find a better method than point to point lines. And even then it'll STILL be pretty crappy in my opinion. Of course right now I have some other things I have to work on so I can't even think about starting this.. unless I start chibi-ing in school. Hmm... *runs off*
*yawn* *stretch* Well I've been taking a break from drawing chibi so I could finally take care of some things I said I'd do a while ago. While I still haven't completely completed those, I did manage to find some time while I was just messing around to make the 2 sprites you may see in my avatar and sig. lol, kinda pointless posting them here, but they're my work, and this is my topic for it, so yeah + Yeah, so they're frontal views like all my other crap. lol I just wanted to see if my method of chibi drawing would work well with sprites, and it did! lol I was thinking of doing all the characters in this style, since I'd probably end up needing them down the line, but I've decided to put that off as well. lol, I have too much other crap to do.
well I see my little sprites didn't get much attention... ah, that's alright, they were 15 minute jobs anyway. Well yeah, so I was thinking about what mlt^2+(11*2) said about trying to get things in poses, rather than dead frontal views, and I decided to give it a shot. And of course, my guinea pig for this was Yuna. Unfortunately, it turned out a little bit laaaarge. like.. I dunno a lil more than twice less than three times the size of the usual "trainer" sized sprites I do. And it's more of a pixel arty thing, so yeah, I'ma say it's pixel art. I'm babblin aren't I? Here. Scratch that, here's v.2
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Post by Aim on Sept 10, 2005 22:04:09 GMT -5
Yes, the leg extensions helped a lot. One of the most useful drawing techinques I've learned recently is that you should never underestimaite the length of your character's legs. Especially not Faust. Otherwise, I guess maybe the arms are a little long. The dress and hair look really good though. Maybe her left bang should be a little sharper at the peak though? I don't know, many like to draw her hair less stiff. However, continue to sprite her till the coming of judgement, armageddon, ragnarok, the day yaoi becomes the great American art, or any other event which will destroy the world as we know it, and Yuna's mouth will still be vastly too small to eat Tron. I reserve that right for myself. Mehehe. Just kidding, a little.
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Post by pitch on Sept 10, 2005 22:45:08 GMT -5
... I still don't see how you think I said Yuna could eat Tron... O.o
As for the legs... well I started with those, and then when I got to the upper body, I overdid it. I didn't even realize till someone said something on another board, and I thought 'Hey, that might make it look less awkward', and whaddya know? It did! The arms might be a tad long, but it's probably just a 1 or 2 pixel thing. Her hands I'll admit are cartoonishly big, but those were a real pain to do.
I can't see, or rather, I don't understand what you mean about her hair though. Do you mean her left pigtail(it's actually her right pigtail, but its on your left)? Or her bangs on her face?
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Post by Santa Melty on Sept 10, 2005 23:13:21 GMT -5
Ooh, I was mentioned. Now I must post!
Very nice. Not so much of a sprite as it is pixel art. The arms are a little long, but only slightly. You could probably compensate by stretching the lower body a little. The tip of the right ponytail is sharp, while the left looks rounded. Other then that, it’s very good. You seem to have gotten the form right, and the shading is good.
Just a thought, have you tried doing images like this, and then simply shrinking them down to make sprites?
It is quite obvious. Don't act as if you don't know what we're talking about. It is blatantly implied in your post.
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Post by pitch on Sept 11, 2005 9:19:49 GMT -5
Ooh, I was mentioned. Now I must post! Very nice. Not so much of a sprite as it is pixel art. The arms are a little long, but only slightly. You could probably compensate by stretching the lower body a little. The tip of the right ponytail is sharp, while the left looks rounded. Other then that, it’s very good. You seem to have gotten the form right, and the shading is good. I dunno I thought the arms were just about right, but I shpose I can extend her legs a pixel or two more. As for the pigtail, I guess it is a little excessively sharp, but part of it's just the angle it's supposed to be at. I'll fix it up too I guess. I actually was gunna try that. I'm not sure how it'll work out though, since this's about 3 times as big as any of the other sprites I've done. o.o all I ever said on the matter was Yuna > Tron. How does that look like "Yuna could eat Tron"? If anything I'd think it would be the other way around since the opened end of the greater-than sign is facing Yuna. @_@
v3 New > Old Alright, I extended her legs two more pixels, and rounded off her left(your right) pigtail. In addition to that, since I didn't think that was enough, I went 'n added a little more shading to her, just about everywhere, in subtle little things that none of you are probably gunna notice, but they make her look better collectively, in my opinion.
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Post by Dashe on Sept 11, 2005 11:26:55 GMT -5
Little pixel art or big sprite? Hmmm...both, I guess. Whatever it is, it's awesome! Is Sera going to be next? As far as improvements go, something seems a bit off with one of her shoulders (the one attached to the arm with the bracelet), which I think should probably be a bit smaller because of the perspective. That, and her one eye looks like it's drifting to the side a little. Was this one ripped off of Pokemon too?
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