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Post by JMC47 on Dec 11, 2004 15:00:24 GMT -5
One thing, you better be joking. Before I go off explaining why he is not a reaverbot and why he is genetically created, tell me, are you kidding.
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Post by Paragon on Dec 11, 2004 17:00:44 GMT -5
Yeah, MegaMan is a Purifier Model Reaverbot. I at least know that much. How do you think that Juno knew him?
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Post by aarond on Dec 11, 2004 18:51:28 GMT -5
I think you're misunderstanding what a Reaverbot is. A "Reaverbot" is a mindless guardian of the System which has no free will of its own, and has only directives to seek out and eliminate anything that is out of place, including Diggers. In fact, "Reaverbot" was a term coined by the betas (or carbons). Sera, Yuna, Gatz, or Juno would refer to them as "Guardians."
What MegaMan, Sera, et al are is "Anthro Units", which are the humaniform members of the System. They can simulate human actions, directive, and emotions, to a greater or lesser extent. (However, I don't think they are the "Prototype Anthro Units," which are probably the forerunners of the Elder System or something like that.)
I wouldn't count on CAMPcom giving us any further explanation regarding the Legends hierarchy and such, even should there be a MML 3, because the Japanese tend not to worry about those things (by which I mean "sensical details") in their storylines (which you probably already realize if you've ever watched a Japanese cartoon or read a manga book).
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Post by Paragon on Dec 11, 2004 18:53:35 GMT -5
I think you're misunderstanding what a Reaverbot is. A "Reaverbot" is a mindless guardian of the System which has no free will of its own, and has only directives to seek out and eliminate anything that is out of place, including Diggers. What MegaMan, Sera, et al are is "Anthro Units", which are the humaniform members of the System. They can simulate human actions, directive, and emotions, to a greater or lesser extent. (However, I don't think they are the "Prototype Anthro Units," which are probably the forerunners of the Elder System or something such as that.) I wouldn't count on CAMPcom giving us any further explanation regarding the Legends hierarchy and such, even should there be a MML 3, because the Japanese tend not to worry about those things (by which I mean "sensical details") in their storylines (which you probably already realize if you've ever watched a Japanese cartoon or read a manga book). Yeah, you're right. Most Japanese cartoons leave you wondering, "What happens next?" Not that American cartoons like Dexter's Lab don't do the same. Also, somebody wrote a walkthrough on Legends 1 and made a Reaverbot Tree of Power. He designed it like this: Mother Units: Yuna and Sera | | | | Purifier Purifier: MegaMan Juno | | | | Purifier: MegaMan Trigger | | Large Reaverbots (Bosses) | | Small Reaverbots (Enemies) Well, it was something like that. Though according to you this is totally wrong
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Post by aarond on Dec 11, 2004 18:56:08 GMT -5
You'll note that "Dexter's Lab" has a lot of spoofs of Japanese cartoon series within it as well, thought that's a bit of a tangent for us.
MegaMan Legends Rocks, by the way! Whoo!
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Post by Paragon on Dec 11, 2004 19:54:16 GMT -5
You'll note that "Dexter's Lab" has a lot of spoofs of Japanese cartoon series within it as well, thought that's a bit of a tangent for us. MegaMan Legends Rocks, by the way! Whoo! You don't need to tell me twice. If I didn't think the same, would I be here?
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Post by GustaffGlyde on Dec 11, 2004 20:20:12 GMT -5
… almost… kind of… Reaverbots are part of the Elder system, not Master like MM. At the end of MML2, it is mentioned that the ruins are part of the Elder System, mortal enemy of the Master System (Elysium, Eden, and the Gates). Reaverbots serve as guardians of the ruins. Also, this explains why Sera, #2 in the System hierarchy, couldn't just waltz in and take the keys from the ruins. Why do some reaverbots appear on Elysium and in the Gates? Simple: Either their designs were copied by the Master System, or they were reprogrammed. The Gates serve to suppress and control each part, or island, of the Elder system which exists only on Terra. The Gates are controlled by Bureaucratic models such as Juno who then answer to “Mother”. They make sure that everything stays within the Systems parameters. If the population surges and therefore violates the limit allowed by the System, they do what Juno did in MML1. Although this seems cruel, there is some reason behind it. As Juno mentioned, too many humans cause pollution, not to mention hunger and eventually their own demise. The more humans there are the more poverty, the more war, the more corruption, and so on. These bureaucratic models answer to Yuna, the mother unit in charge of Terra. Yuna then reports to Elysium and the Master. Sera, though this is just a guess, is in charge of purifier units as well as Elysium. Mother units are second only to the Master. Purifier models serve under the direct command of Mother (probably Sera). Their job is to take out aberrant units which attempt to harm the system and cause anarchy. In status, they are stronger than Beuracrats, but reletivly equal in social status. It all depends on the class (1 st through 3 rd) To correct that, The Master (well, he is dead…)
Mother Units
Units of the MM model, bureaucrat and purifier (they’re equal in their own ways. It’s like comparing a general and a senator.)
Other anthro units
Carbons/betas (well, they are technically part of the system) Of course, the above is just speculation… Yay, more theory fun… oh the lovely memories. And to make this somewhat relevant… ummm… MM originated as… MM is… oh, never mind. The master made him out of an instant jello packet. you know, just add water.
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Post by Paragon on Dec 11, 2004 20:27:36 GMT -5
Oh! I forgot to put in the Master on the Tree of Power. I loke theories too. Maybe that's why my favorite subject is science....
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Post by aarond on Dec 11, 2004 20:51:31 GMT -5
I thought that Bureaucratic Models were lower ranked than Purifier Models, although that's not necessarily certain. Juno is Third Class, while Trigger is First Class, but that alone doesn't make one higher-ranked than the other, I suppose. From the context, it would seem that Purifiers are kind of roving troubleshooters that assist Bureaucratic Models on occasion, while Servitors would be below everyone in rank that we know of.
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Post by Paragon on Dec 11, 2004 20:54:36 GMT -5
Isn't Juno also a Purifier-Purifier? His other role is to kill malfunctioning purifier models right? I say that MML is Poofy. Poofy means cool.
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Post by GustaffGlyde on Dec 11, 2004 21:14:59 GMT -5
aarond's post Well, the rank does affect things, but overall it is the same. As for servitors, it is as their name suggests. They are nothing more than servants. Their purpose is to serve a Mother unit as much as possible whether it be through simple tasks, transportation, providing advice, and acting as a guardian. It’s kind of like having Superman as your butler. But yeah, I kind of forgot about them… Basically… Servitors = Servants/bodyguards. No known rank since there are only two of them that we know of, and they are primitive when compared to other high level anthro units. Purifiers = soldiers. Class is similar to military ranks, from simple soldier to General, or something like that. Bureaucrats = politicians. Similarly, differing class may affect their rank. We only know of Juno, so it’s harder to tell how differing class would affect them as Juno was the master of a Gate (Island) and was only 3 rd class. There are more theories about differing class meanings such as that class 1 units are purifiers, and class 3 are bureaucrats. Still, nobody knows… darn you Capcom! Make the sequel already! We don’t care about Battle Network (The old Legends team is currently working as the Battle Network team. Kill Battle Network and we get our Legends back. Either that or teach them to multi-task...) ______________________________________________ MegIvan Now, as for you MegIvan. There is no “Purifier-purifier”. I don’t mean to sound mean, but that just doesn’t make sense. Juno is a Bureaucrat. His job is to monitor the Island and do other such tasks like keep the Elder System suppressed. He isn’t supposed to serve as a purifier, but he chooses to attack the aberrant MM because MM tried to stop him. He was acting in self defense. Well, pre-emptive self defense, but who cares. Juno, not to mention others like him, simply weren't strong enough to take on a purifier. Juno knew that he would die, but he planned to make a backup and be rebuilt at a later date. Data, that accursed monkey, erased the backup (though there may still be an outdated backup somewhere. We can only hope...). There would be no need to make an anti-purifier purifier. One purifier can kill another just as well as anyone else.
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Post by SIMSteven on Dec 11, 2004 21:18:42 GMT -5
Juno can't be a Purifier-Purifier, as you put it. Juno's man function is to keep the population of the island in check. The only reason he attacked Trigger is because Trigger attacked him (hence, Juno found him to be abberant).
All Juno does is execute the Carbon Reinitialization Program on Kattelox. He doesn't do a whole lot else.
However, Servitor Units are way up on the teir, higher than MegaMan. At least, I think so. If anything tells you that, it's how freely they can talk with the Mother Units. And MegaMan was getting scolded by Sera in the dream sequence, so he's lower than a Mother Unit.
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Post by Paragon on Dec 12, 2004 11:50:02 GMT -5
Well, don't tell me about the whole purifier-purifier thing. It was this person who wrote a walkthrough who gave me this impression.
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Post by megadude v 2.0 on Dec 12, 2004 19:15:02 GMT -5
geting back to the mm brain, i think that it is organic.
the reason? a recent scinetific technology that just got approval for human testing.
it's a chip implanted the brain that lets the user manipulate a remote device connected by a wire, just by thinking about it. all they would have to do is make it wireless and hey presto! MM can instatanly transfer data to Data. with the advances in technology today, it's not to far off. I mean the humans during and before the system were supposed to be super advanced. look at us today and compare with 100 years ago and you'll see my point.
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Post by JMC47 on Dec 12, 2004 21:48:45 GMT -5
I think he is 99% organic, and no one believes in genetic engineering, at least in the game. Elysium looked to be somewhat advanced, but not enough to make mechanical brains that think and feel emotions. A reaverbot doesn't think, it just follows command lines, and code, probably stored in its hard drive. They don't have time machines, so they don't have that advanced of a mechanical brain system. Megadude, I also agree with what your saying.
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