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Post by GSG on Mar 14, 2006 9:27:19 GMT -5
Yeah, as far as I know, removing the refractor at any ruins has never actually powered down the traps. After defeating the Hamuru Doll, Mega Man tries to take Joe up to the surface immediately, but Joe tells him to take the refractor first. But the only link I've noticed is between the refractor and the main guardian reaverbot, not the smaller ones. So I'm banking on the that the smaller ones are run on the smaller refractors. I'd also bet that the reaverbots were created before the P.A.Us. Yuna describes herself and Sera as Anthro Units, but if you talk to the control panels in Elysium, they'll refer to the reaverbots as reaverbots. When Mega Man first enters the Sub Cities, he says: In the past tense. The Sub Cities are filled with reaverbots now, but long ago, they were inhabited by prototype versions of androids like Sera and Yuna. And, as you say, the reaverbots are very primitive in comparison, which suggests that they would've been made first. Ramblin'...>_@
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Post by Shift on Mar 14, 2006 10:09:00 GMT -5
But wouldn't it make more sense for the large refractors within each ruin to power the ruin itself? I mean, that boss (you sure it was a Hanmuru Doll? It had those... swinging arms, and such...) himself even dropped other refractor shards, energy and special weapon cubes, after you defeated him.However, when you take the refractors from places such as Manda's ruins, the traps cease, and the place is a bit toned down. (those reaverbots that shoot those orange balls at you won't awaken anymore, as the ruins' "defense system" has been deactivated)
So like I've said, it might be just the ruins that the refractors actually give power to. They even say so in the actual story itself, that they sent the Bureaucratic units to monitor the island, then had the refractor to power the whole place (that big... rainbow-ish colored one that the Bonne's stole) and finally they sent the reaverbot units, the ones that were seemingly uncontrollable, and pretty much attacked anything that got in their way, to guard the refractors, so that no Digger may take it, and shut down the Bureaucrat's work area.
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Post by Car2oon on Mar 14, 2006 14:39:30 GMT -5
Well, if you think about it- Megaman can transform a little. He has two detatchable arms! For like special weapons and different buster gun configurations. Plus- he can transform between his human form and blue armor form... if that makes any sense... my head hurts..
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Post by Heat Sonata on Mar 14, 2006 15:00:21 GMT -5
I do have one question that just popped into my mind. It is true that the refractors DO power down some traps in the ruins. Could the keys have served the same purpose in some ruins, then? For instance, it seems like after you beat the frog robot in those one ruins and take the key, the laser turrets on the walls and maybe some of the trapped floors become inactive. Could it then be that maybe the refractors channel energy, and the keys are made of the same material as the refractors?
I don't think that would mean much in the end, just some speculation.
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Post by Dashe on Mar 14, 2006 15:06:14 GMT -5
But wouldn't it make more sense for the large refractors within each ruin to power the ruin itself? I mean, that boss (you sure it was a Hanmuru Doll? It had those... swinging arms, and such...) himself even dropped other refractor shards, energy and special weapon cubes, after you defeated him.However, when you take the refractors from places such as Manda's ruins, the traps cease, and the place is a bit toned down. (those reaverbots that shoot those orange balls at you won't awaken anymore, as the ruins' "defense system" has been deactivated) So like I've said, it might be just the ruins that the refractors actually give power to. They even say so in the actual story itself, that they sent the Bureaucratic units to monitor the island, then had the refractor to power the whole place (that big... rainbow-ish colored one that the Bonne's stole) and finally they sent the reaverbot units, the ones that were seemingly uncontrollable, and pretty much attacked anything that got in their way, to guard the refractors, so that no Digger may take it, and shut down the Bureaucrat's work area. That makes sense in MML2, when the ruins sort of shut down after you took the refractor, but in the first game, in the training ruin and Lake Jyun, removing their refractors actually set off traps--the mechanism from the first cutscene and the Garudoriten, respectively. And nothing about the ruins changed. Maybe Kattelox is just special.
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Post by GSG on Mar 14, 2006 15:45:22 GMT -5
Well, if you think about it- Megaman can transform a little. He has two detatchable arms! Whoa. I didn't even think of that. o_0 How on earth would he'dve found something like that out? Was he walking along in a park one day when suddenly his arms fell off for no apparent reason? Crazeh. And as far is I made out, Kattelox is pretty special. I mean, the ruins all merge and join into one another, so if one refractor was removed, chances are there would be another ruin connected to it that still had a refractor to keep it active. And thank you, car2oon. ^_^
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Post by RockMan Trigger on Mar 14, 2006 16:23:42 GMT -5
I though they just replaced his arm armor(sounds wierd) and put his whole are or hand inside the weapon.
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Post by Heat Sonata on Mar 14, 2006 16:27:30 GMT -5
I though they just replaced his arm armor(sounds wierd) and put his whole are or hand inside the weapon. I had considered that for a while too, but it doesn't really make sense how all the weapon systems for a complicated weapon or one with big projectiles would fit with his arm inside. Plus, weapons like the Vaccum Arm hardly seem to have room for his arm to fit in at all.
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Post by Rage on Mar 14, 2006 17:40:49 GMT -5
Mega man put his arm in his armor then just have his elbow out but I don't think that would work for the blade arm in the first game. Don't you think Roll would be WTF happened to you and Mega man will "I don't know...It just fell off. Maybe found this out sooner or later.
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Post by Shift on Mar 14, 2006 17:43:17 GMT -5
IS, exactly. And even his Mega Buster goes down to right before his wrists, therefore he'd either have to have his hand removed, or... bent back in some awkward position, which'd probably be more painful than just removing it all together.
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Post by Rage on Mar 14, 2006 17:46:52 GMT -5
or Roll just got pissed off at Mega man and hacked his arm and said "at least you can fit in your armor now" as excuse.
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Post by Dashe on Mar 15, 2006 15:27:44 GMT -5
This is just the way I've always thought all of Mega Man's arm-mounted weapons work: Basically, the tubing's just a case he puts his arm in to operate a small apparatus in the very end, which is the actual weapon. Of course, since it never really was explained, anything is possible.
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Post by Rage on Mar 15, 2006 16:30:48 GMT -5
I thought same thing too because that would work for his buster arm only. Not so much on his specail weapons because some of them are too short or too long for him to just put his arm in unless he could be amputee in his right arm.
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Post by Shift on Mar 15, 2006 17:20:14 GMT -5
But that's NOT how the Mega Buster works. Like I've already said, his arm gets cut off right before his wrist, thus leaving absolutely NO room for a hand. He has to either make it withdrawl into his arm somehow, or remove it entirely. Those are the only actual options, really. I don't know, maybe he's god or something, you tell me: Yeahp, I've been considering many options for a while, and all I can come up with is the removal of his hand. Otherwise, he doesn't have enough room.
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Post by Rage on Mar 15, 2006 20:30:51 GMT -5
he's a robot...ok that's a stupid theory. He's human in Legends but in the other games he's a robot. Capcom probably say "just because" no big explantion just that but we can always make up more crazy theorys any way.
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