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Post by Dashe on Jul 17, 2015 14:25:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure Gamergate's wiki counts as an unbiased source seeing as they seem to have taken a side, but being there when it happened and seeing her cover up everything everybody criticized her for, deleting any tweets that seemed questionable instead of just owning it and saying something like, "Yeah, I have opinions, but I'm really just in charge of managing the community and will report all of your questions and concerns directly to the dev team as they pop up. You have nothing to worry about." That was not a sentence, I realize now, but it definitely seemed suspect. Probably not deserving of immense, explosive backlash, but definitely a good talking to by upper management. Who knows, maybe upper management had her delete all that stuff. Lots happens behind closed doors. God knows I've said a lot of opinionated things on MMLS myself. Sometimes I get into fights. It happens. I sure don't go around covering it up like some kind of gamebreaking scandal, though. Honestly, I'm not a great googler, but I don't think there are any unbiased sources on this whole thing. |
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Post by Bean on Jul 17, 2015 19:09:17 GMT -5
This is secondhand knowledge, but the forum layout was a mess at first with threads unable to even be pinned to the top. That said, there were rules and guidelines in place, and whether the person in charge was a saint or not is irrelevant in this case to me as a few too many people there went way overboard with their conduct there towards said person. Heck, some of them still go at it on Twitter to this day when I'm looking for new info on Mighty No. 9, and she left months ago now.
Let's just say I won't take anyone seriously that called that situation "Mighty Number Nein". Yeah, invoking Godwin's Law and constantly acting like a jerk just doesn't cut it with me. If the game turns out to be a disappointment, then it does, but it won't be for the reasons that Group #2 goes on about.
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Post by Buster Cannon on Jul 24, 2015 9:48:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure Gamergate's wiki counts as an unbiased source seeing as they seem to have taken a side, but being there when it happened and seeing her cover up everything everybody criticized her for, deleting any tweets that seemed questionable instead of just owning it and saying something like, "Yeah, I have opinions, but I'm really just in charge of managing the community and will report all of your questions and concerns directly to the dev team as they pop up. You have nothing to worry about." That was not a sentence, I realize now, but it definitely seemed suspect. Probably not deserving of immense, explosive backlash, but definitely a good talking to by upper management. Who knows, maybe upper management had her delete all that stuff. Lots happens behind closed doors. God knows I've said a lot of opinionated things on MMLS myself. Sometimes I get into fights. It happens. I sure don't go around covering it up like some kind of gamebreaking scandal, though. Honestly, I'm not a great googler, but I don't think there are any unbiased sources on this whole thing. I don't know about 100% unbiased, but those two above offer a little more insight. It's pretty telling when the community manager is telling #GamerGate supporters to boycott the game that she's supposed to be a part of. It's one thing to have opinions, we all do. But that should not in any way impact how you do your job, or how you represent the product your company is selling. I didn't hang around the forums much, but if her Twitter behavior is anything to go by, I can definitely see why fans would have a bad taste in their mouth after that. Some of the comments in the first article are pretty telling. Even though the damage has been done, I really hope that this doesn't effect RED ASH's development too harshly. |
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Post by Bean on Jul 24, 2015 10:53:44 GMT -5
Techraptor is heavily pro-GG and saying "The Dina Disaster" is also a pro-GG phrase coined by one of them whose name escapes me at this point. Also understand that her behavior on Twitter was in direct reference to people on the forums acting like jerks to her. She had to go up to the higher-ups at Comcept before even modding the forums since that would be kind of a big deal. Again, she could be a jerk, but the treatment she received and still does to this day is way over the top. That's the main thing you should take away from this, Buster Cannon.
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Post by tominator on Jul 25, 2015 18:24:25 GMT -5
Like Buster Cannon, I did not spend much time one the MN9 forums after the project launched. However, after Red Ash launched and I learned about the "Dina Disaster" I saw many complaints about her activities as the CM, and moderating of the forums in general; even from some people who seem to be pretty supportive and seemingly nice e.g. this guy. Accusations about being banned for even disagreeing or raising concerns about how the forum was moderated. Her twitter posts certainly don't help her case, especially the one where she said Gamers Gate members should "burn in hell." Now I am sure that she was angered by hostile forum members and reacted in anger when she posted them, but as a public facing official you (unfortunately) just can't do that; otherwise you alienate other members and could give onlookers a bad impression for the whole company. I am also pretty sure that this whole incident is blown out of proportion, but in the end it doesn't matter. If the community believes that it happened than that is all that matters as far as PR goes. |
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Post by Aiyumi on Jul 30, 2015 7:50:55 GMT -5
Here's another version of the story, coming from an avid MN9 and RED ASH supporter, who had been at the MN9 forums while the whole thing happened. We'll never know the truth, but after seeing all the misinformation people spread about RED ASH, I don't rule out the possibility of this version being more true than the other one.
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Post by Bean on Jul 31, 2015 0:27:14 GMT -5
See, that's kind of what I figured. I'm sure if those forums were public, people would have seen that for themselves. It's just that when false perception gets a ball rolling, it can be hard to stop. Then you have the legitimate criticism and the narrative using that to pad that perception, it can really be an issue. Again, one look at Twitter can tell you all you need to know about some people's agendas on that game and certain people surrounding it.
I just want to play the game, and I hope it will be good in the end. That's all, and that's what it should be about!
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Post by Buster Cannon on Jul 31, 2015 10:16:21 GMT -5
Game looks decent, but a couple of criticisms come to mind:
- The 'kill enemies with dashes' thing looks silly.
- Why is the music so low? You can barely make out the melodies b/c it's overpowered by the sound effects and voices. I'm sure there's an option to tweak it in the settings, but it does stand out.
Either way, I am looking forward to picking it up when it drops!
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Post by Dashe on Jul 31, 2015 13:40:00 GMT -5
I definitely like that it's got more context than "get to the right side of the screen and shoot everything that moves." No problem with the dashing here. It kind of reminds me of Sonic, but maybe just because they were trying to go fast. I think a lot of problems people are having with this is because they can't get Classic out of their noggins.
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Post by Buster Cannon on Aug 5, 2015 10:27:37 GMT -5
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Post by kire-kitsune on Aug 5, 2015 10:54:49 GMT -5
Well, that's unfortunate. I was looking forward to picking it up alongside my PS4 in a few months. I hope it's in January or so, then I could get it for my birthday. Unlikely, but I can dream.
Also, I don't get the criticism the gameplay and visuals have gotten. It's speedy, clearly skill-based and looks like a clear evolution of the classic formula. (As there are no discernible charge shots and wall-kick is right out.) The dash is an interesting way to move gameplay along and distinguish it from the Megaman games. Granted, Megaman X and on has featured a dash move, but it wasn't so integral to the gameplay as here, seeing as it grants the player bonuses, increases their score and damages bosses. (The boss damage being an interesting layer since I'll have to relearn a lot of reflex-behavior.)
As to the visuals, they're bright, crisp and present the action clearly while still having quite a bit of visual flair. The models themselves are high resolution and animate well, again aiding gameplay. I don't know what people were expecting, these games have never been a visual tour de force. They use clear, succinct visual language and that's their claim to fame. Nothing fancy. And we knew it was going to be 3D pretty early on, so, the 2D argument is invalid as of now.
I'm just so sick of the negativity-the game looks good. It's offering something I haven't had since I sank my teeth into ZX Advent however long ago. The public stuff was mismanaged, big whoop. If the game is good that all shouldn't matter. People can never see the forest for the trees. Hell, it got me to be excited for this kind of game again after Capcom basically ground me down into apathy after MML3's cancellation. (Along with the cool-looking Megaman Universe, for what little we knew of it.) Optimism can be a bit blind, but I prefer it.
EDIT: I don't mean to come off as if I'm targeting anyone here, mind, I just dislike how any given search on this game will turn up a gold-mine of angry mobs. Let alone Red Ash and the firebombing it's received.
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Post by scygoku on Aug 5, 2015 13:23:56 GMT -5
Also, I don't get the criticism the gameplay and visuals have gotten. I'm just so sick of the negativity-the game looks good. EDIT: I don't mean to come off as if I'm targeting anyone here, mind, I just dislike how any given search on this game will turn up a gold-mine of angry mobs. Let alone Red Ash and the firebombing it's received. ^(@.@) This! How is what Mighty No 9 / Red Ash posts should be like, people can have their opinion but all these negative commenters are not even explaining their reasoning. Just repeting the same comments. Hell most of them just see something they don't like and flame without even considering a reason or even try to a put a positive spin on the situation e.g. the game is delayed,well atleast we will have a MN9 that doesn't have glitchy online features that may affect other others. Not doubt if it was released early these would complain about Comcept releasing an incomplete/broken game. There was comments about "Its a $4 million game,it looks crap"...it was a $900k game, the extra funds added extra features :/ And I agree, the graphics look great to me @.@ >-> or the posts about Inafune trying to steal money with the whole FUZE aspect or saying "oh there has been 3 kickstarters,they keep asking for money. Comcept won't get any more from me".That ticks me off :/ -First off its your decision to back as clearly you are interested in said project and each funding is for that project alone. Red Ash has nothing to do with MN9, Comcept can't just sit around until its ready to come out before releasing a new game. -You get exactly what you paid for tier wise, so atleast getting the game cheaper than RRP. Heck you may get more extras depending on funding. Where is the stealing in that? -I didn't see any complaints when Deep Silver obtained extra goals due to their funding. -Yeah Comcept were being soo sneakily ANNOUNCING the funding from FUZE,during the KS when we weren't getting near $800k. Though I bet if we reached the minimum goal already and they unlocked new goals it wouldn't have been an issue. -This is clearly a game you are interested in, getting another source of funding (besides being essential for a 3D game) helps make it the best that it can be. Why are they complaining? >.> just saw someone say MN9 is a Megaman ripoff and it should be cancelled.... Besides from it being a spiritual successor from the team behind Megaman who couldn't make Megaman games due to Capcom holding the IP. And what exactly has Capcom being doing with the Megaman IP recently? Nadda besides re-releases of games already out. (regarding your edit) Tell me about it, every post/article I see is nothing mostly complaints. I try to reply to what I can with comments but only so much that can be done. ^^' sorry about this, spent so much time replying to comments and wanted to blow off steam. Why can't they be positive, fund Red Ash as its the only chance we have of seeing MML3. We need to show Capcom these games are still popular,doesn't help with fans like these. |
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Post by Dashe on Aug 5, 2015 13:57:00 GMT -5
I definitely think not waiting on the edge of your seat and forgetting the game exists is probably the best way to wait for a game release. Which, I understand, is easier said than done for people who've chucked large sums of money on what is essentially a pre-order with bonuses than it is for people who backed it with about the MSRP of a typical game. I mean, you're looking at people who've been starved for new content for five years, after all. Five might be nothing compared to fifteen, but we were pretty twitchy and irritable five years into waiting too. Granted, we were also mostly in our teens at the most, and a lot of these fans are much older than we were...
The negativity, I guess, would have to be the downside of using kickstarter. The more solid dates you release, the harder the audience is going to hold the company to them. I'd argue that you could probably save yourself a lot of trouble just ignoring the development process, seeing as the average MN9 fan is pretty much old enough to be a working professional in this industry, for the most part, and they're not being paid to work on the game themselves. Just go do something else and forget about MN9 for a few years. But if you're a hardcore Classic/X fan I could also see how that might be extremely difficult.
But for this delay, remember how Inafune really loved Mega Man 2 and really didn't love Mega Man 3? I'd be willing to bet it was because he had the extra time to fine-tune MM2 to his liking, but Capcom made the team rush MM3 out hardly a year after that. I mean, now that I've played them both, I definitely think MM3 was the better game, but it would have been a LOT better if they'd had a longer production cycle to make it good instead of recycling MM2 bosses. I could see that being really frustrating to a developer working on it, so it's not difficult to look at a Comcept development cycle and expect it to be very delay-heavy in that regard.
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Post by kire-kitsune on Aug 5, 2015 14:50:09 GMT -5
Shigeru Miyamoto said it best. (I may be paraphrasing here)
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."
I'd rather each level, boss and visual detail meet the team's standards rather than conform to whining fan's impatience. Megaman fans have more cause than most to be impatient, but this is biting the hand that's feeding you.
Especially Legends fans with the backlash of this kickstarter. It may not be MML3, but it may be the closest we get to this kind of game again. I've played many, many, many games in the last 15 years. And only a handful sort of remind me of MML.(Except perhaps Steambot Chronicles. I love that thing.) A bumpy road's not gonna scare me out of my support. We've pretty much been through the worst already. What can happen that hasn't already?
Essentially, I just want to play a good game. lol
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Post by scygoku on Aug 6, 2015 5:04:03 GMT -5
I've seen that phrase used in afew posts regarding the delay of Mighty No 9, makes perfect sense as fans would complaing about a broken/incomplete game. Better to have it working properly than rushing it out and having more bugs than you can shake a stick at. Besides they complain about delays, being years late (how long did they think development takes?) but the Shantae kickstarter doesn't have a firm date which is probably the safest option rather than building up hopes.
^_^ This is the only Legends we will get until Capcom decide to either make the game or let Inafune work on finishing MML, why is it so hard for people to understand that.
Yup, let the game speak for itself. Though I see negativity about the game when its not even out and all people have played is the beta >.>
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