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Post by Rockman Striker on Jul 3, 2013 13:55:35 GMT -5
I took the liberty to create this thread for two main reasons: There are few details about how planet Elysium looked like, how its ecosystem worked, what kind of plants and animals exist there and so on; we can share our theories about these subjects and get to logical conclusions.
The second reason is... All right you guessed it, to use these ideas on The Master System, but don't misunderstand my words, I have already my own theories but I want to hear yours, you know feedback is very important to me.
Let's discuss first how the planet itself is; for example, the moon has no atmosphere, so there's no air, no gravity, no life. In order to move to this kind of planet, the elders had to install a synthetic atmosphere.
A giant, crystal-like sphere surrounding the planet mantains the air within it.
This sphere also works as a screen, it can be programmed to show a warm, sunny day, a starred night and it can change according to seasons, all of this just to emulate the weather of Terra.
Please note: Only post theories about how the planet works, what species can be found there, or anything related to its ecosystem.
Let the discussion begin!
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Post by RyanLEO on Jul 3, 2013 14:07:46 GMT -5
I thought the master created it to be a perfect world, so he would have added everything needed for life. I thought the main residence was the only place that had the simulated sky. I never paid much attention to the story when I first played, but I've become more interested in it over time so threads like these are always good to lurk around
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Post by Dashe on Jul 3, 2013 19:23:38 GMT -5
The Master must've been one hardcore communist, eh?
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Post by Kyle on Jul 4, 2013 13:49:49 GMT -5
If they were able to regulate an artificial temperature for the planet, then I bet everything was room-temperature. That'd be my expectations for paradise. No goddamn freezing wind, or goddamn scorching sun. The weather sucks when it decides to go extreme.
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Post by proudone on Jul 4, 2013 16:18:28 GMT -5
Well, we know that the Elders were able to modify gravity at will. And Elysium has enough mass to have some natural gravitation. So if there were plants they would have probably been genetically engineered to survive changing gravity. If there were animals on Elysium (and I doubt that) they would've needed to adapt to these things as well since variable gravity was probably something used widely on the Moon, even if just for sleeping comfortably. You don't want to move out all the pots and kittens every time you go to bed or move the heavy shelves.
Why do I doubt there were animals on Elysium? They would have introduced a rogue element potentially threatening the Master's health. If there were pets, they were probably like Data: Adorable little dancing robots.
We also know the Elders were capable of creating sophisticated holograms / shields so the sky wouldn't even need to be a physical screen. Any atmosphere could simply consist of a pressurized energy shield designed to keep gasses inside.
Elysium felt very abandoned in the game. If that's any indication how it felt when only the master was still alive, then it must have been a depressing place to live and the master's wish to visit terra would be even more understandable. Think hospital-like cleanliness, sound-studio-like isolation and constant clear skies. Yuk.
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Post by Rockman Striker on Jul 4, 2013 17:09:30 GMT -5
I'm almost entirely sure that they didn't have to worry about shopping things. A perfect world needs no currency after all. Specially considering the people on Elysium had the knowledge to create as many refractors as they need, refractors would be like rocks there. But for the sake of game play I might just forget that undeniable fact XD |
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Post by Rockman Striker on Jul 5, 2013 11:54:17 GMT -5
Well, refractors are made from lava or something like that if I remember correctly, they're used the same way as in Terra, like some kind of batteries.
An exchange system would work, at first I was planning a recicle system, so refractors would be "paid" for parts or items, but they would be really transformed on items, or the energy would be used to create them, but I think that idea is a bit complex.
They were able to change gravity, but I don't think they had the habit to switch gravity anytime they want, that would be maximum trolling!
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Post by proudone on Jul 5, 2013 13:22:19 GMT -5
They were able to change gravity, but I don't think they had the habit to switch gravity anytime they want, that would be maximum trolling! Why not? If the amount of times you changed gravity to get around in the defense zone is any indication for their use of variable gravity i'd say they used it as frequently as we may use fridges ^^ Even if it was just to get around effortlessly... |
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Post by Rockman Striker on Jul 5, 2013 14:28:37 GMT -5
I guess the use of gravity would be different underground and on land; what's the purpose of changing gravity on Defense Area anyway?
So, when humans lived on Elysium they probably had their own gravity devices, like some kind of pistol that shoots an anti-gravity field and enables the person to move heavy objects effortlessly, that's what you mean?
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Post by RyanLEO on Jul 5, 2013 15:51:39 GMT -5
I guess the use of gravity would be different underground and on land; what's the purpose of changing gravity on Defense Area anyway? So, when humans lived on Elysium they probably had their own gravity devices, like some kind of pistol that shoots an anti-gravity field and enables the person to move heavy objects effortlessly, that's what you mean? Elysium has artificial gravity, which is probably why it was able to be changed since it didn't have really have gravity. Elysium wouldn't have been very perfect with humans floating around bumping their heads on everything. |
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Post by Rockman Striker on Jul 5, 2013 16:52:11 GMT -5
of course there's gravity, natural or artificial, but the people would've to had some control of it to simplify their lives, using it for floating vehicles for example.
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Post by proudone on Jul 6, 2013 12:20:58 GMT -5
of course there's gravity, natural or artificial, but the people would've to had some control of it to simplify their lives, using it for floating vehicles for example. Did somebody say hoverboards?! Just imagine them being able to push around freight containers by hand ^^ |
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Post by MegaTuga on Jul 7, 2013 17:04:25 GMT -5
Okay let me see if my memory serves anything...
I think I saw on a documentary that it is possible to create an habitable atmosphere in a planet by simply filling it with breathing air. Probably attempting growing some plants around that air so they can grow and produce oxygen or even using oxygen to fill the atmosphere.... I don't think that could be done with the moon but I heard that it was a future plan for a colonization in mars.... yeah, I don't believe much on what I just said.
That aside, it is pretty obvious that Elysium has a huge metallic dome around itself. It is most likely that it is airtight and any ships entering would only have one place to access... (probably that pointy bit that we see on the underside of Elysium)
What else... Hey, if it there is a sky simulator in Kattleox's Sub Cities, there should be no problem in making a bigger version for the whole planet?
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Post by satoh on Jul 9, 2013 2:11:54 GMT -5
I always got the feeling that the elders didn't HAVE lives involving travel, work, buying or selling, or generally anything of that nature to worry about. The impression I got was if they wanted something, they got it. Simple as that. The system provided them with whatever they wanted without having to go anywhere or do anything to get it. Everything was taken care of for them, including their own physical fitness. Their did not exercise and eat right, rather they were exercised, and their nutrition was made to taste however they wanted so that they -could not be- unhealthy, but otherwise their entire lives were so sedentary that barnacles seem like daredevils in comparison.
There are surely plenty that could live complacently in a system like this, but there are some who cannot. The Master was one such person.
What I do wonder, is how if the Master was able to live 3000 years, why was he alone? What killed the other humans, or was he the only human who ever actually made it to Elysium before whatever happened that necessitated the building of Elysium in the first place?
I've seen it cited that Elysium is the size of the moon (and is in fact a replacement for it, actually BEING the moon of Terra), this would mean that Elysium's gravity is at least partially natural. The moon has 1/6G in comparison to Earth's 1G at sea level. That Gravity would also be pulled toward the center of Elysium, meaning that the interior must in fact be spherical, unless the artificial gravity flattens it out in one direction.
I too believe that there would be no natural settings, but rather even the naturelike areas are artificial constructs that mimick nature. It seems to me that Reaverbots have intended functions other than 'kill intruders' but we never get to see what they are, since they are never seen in this behavior. We also never see anything but a few blocks of Elysium's huge structure. It seems to me that there is a lot we don't know about Elysium, and that what we do know is only the tip of it.
However, while there is likely more that we don't see, I still believe that the lives of the human populace were likely stagnant and mundane.
We do know that there were artificial beings there as well as humans, Trigger and the Mothers are among them. We also know that these beings could malfunction, and that they did -have- functions other than simply caring for the humans needs (Evidenced by Sera, 'The more I followed the system, the sadder The Master looked when he saw me' ~paraphrased).
My impression is that there was a large society in Elysium, but that humans weren't really allowed to take part in it. Humans were being protected from themselves, while the system units themselves were more like people... and this is what sparked the Master's idea to create the Betas using the existing units managing Terra's system.
That's how I see Elysium. A prison planet, built to save humanity from free will.
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Post by proudone on Jul 9, 2013 7:00:58 GMT -5
That's how I see Elysium. A prison planet, built to save humanity from free will. Agreed! A little communism is nice but being completely patronized is disgusting. I think its history can be compared to that of BioShock's Rapture City; Created with only the best intentions but a view too narrow for the endeavor to be secure in the long term. I wonder if Elysium was created to deal with the widespread flooding of Earth or something more sinister. Maybe after the Ruins were built the Reaverbots, originally meant to protect them (from what?), begun flooding out of them to attack humanity, a relentless army hellbent on the idea of removing all Intruders. Maybe before the Reaverbots rebelled, humanity was still divided and only united after most of them had died in the war against the machines. The few remaining humans would've fled to the moon, to me it's doubtless that they had bases there already - as we are on the cusp of doing that ourselves. It would explain the creation of a fortress world protected by near-human robots that could more closely relate to humans. Trigger would, as we know, be tasked with destroying aberrant units that somehow found their way to Elysium. I'm assuming that's why there's so many Reaverbots in the defense zone and so few in the Habitat zone. They just started accumulating there when Trigger was left on Earth and could no longer do the housekeeping.
As to why the remaining humans died off on Elysium. Could be that there weren't enough people to maintain a viable genetic pool. That would mean that less then 160 Humans had survived the carnage. I'd assume there were more survivors. Then again, the moon isn't the most welcoming place and if for a moment you imagine supporting about 5000 humans on a small moon base - A lot of them must have died in the beginning. Subtract a few more for early Reaverbot attacks, sickness, age, accidents, solar flares and meteorite blasts and suddenly something closer to 160 doesn't seem so unlikely.
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