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May 7, 2012 20:10:32 GMT -5
Post by Dashe on May 7, 2012 20:10:32 GMT -5
What, when a game clearly would have made money for being different instead of giving the world the old same-old-same-old routine? Your negativity is incredibly unbecoming.
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May 7, 2012 20:20:15 GMT -5
Post by karkatvantas on May 7, 2012 20:20:15 GMT -5
I don't see it as being negative. I'm being realistic in refusing to let the cancellation of a game affect my day-to-day psyche. It's a damn shame that Legends 3 is very unlikely to ever see the light of day, I'll give you that, but I'm not going to sit around and whine about it. Whining, in my opinion, is very unbecoming of anyone. Shit happens. Things get cancelled. When I heard that Stephen King's Dark Tower series was going to be made into a movie series, I was ecstatic. I didn't let it get to me when I found out that it's been in limbo for the past year and a half. Maybe you do disagree with my method of just shrugging it off. Maybe the Legends series is of much larger impact in your life than it was mine. But at the bottom line, it's a video game and we're all human beings with bigger issues to worry about. Don't just label me as being a pessimist. In fact, I'm the opposite. I'd still be delighted if Legends 3 was produced and released. However, I'm not going to hold out until it gets released, because to do so would be silly. My parents taught me to hope for the best and prepare for the worst, so that's exactly what I'm doing. I might be blunt about it and suggesting that people move on without further explanation may not be the most tactful way to go about it, but if you look at Legends 3 in relation to the big picture, is it still that big of a deal?
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May 7, 2012 20:37:45 GMT -5
Post by Adrian2040 on May 7, 2012 20:37:45 GMT -5
What, when a game clearly would have made money for being different instead of giving the world the old same-old-same-old routine? Your negativity is incredibly unbecoming. So you believe that the Legends series is the only series of games that does not do the old same-old-same-old routine? You seriously need to be more open-minded. There are a lot of great, legendary both new and old franchises that still show new potential with new and interesting ideas. In fact, Legends 3 was just going to be an improvement of the old same-old-same-old Legends gameplay, which is in itself very similar to MANY action/adventure games out there.
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May 7, 2012 21:44:12 GMT -5
Post by SketchMan3 on May 7, 2012 21:44:12 GMT -5
Saying "Just... move on" is assuming that the little fan tributes we do and other things of that nature take up a significant amount of time in the fans life. It's easy to type "Boohoohoo MML3 burn capcom" on a message board, and then move on with your REAL life, whatever that may be.
Of course, I'm not one to talk, because I'm somewhere in between the two extremes. I never really cared about whether MML3 would be made over the years. I'd go lurk on MM fan forums, see what people are saying, then go back to skateboarding. I thought "Man... it'd be awesome if Capcom finished the MML series. Maybe they'll do it after connecting the dots between MMC, MMX, MMZ, and MMZX", and looked forward to the day when MML3 might possibly be finished. It wasn't a huge part of my life, though. But then The whole devroom thing happened, and I guess it just sparked something within me, and I'll never be the same. It's hard getting back to being hopefully indifferent again. It's just too soon to say "Just get over it". We can still see the light at the end of a ten year tunnel. But maybe that's just an after-image?
I'll do whatever stuffs I can to help the cause, but I'm not agonizing over it for hours, but I'm not giving others grief about wanting to do so. If anything, that's just going to harden their hearts further.
Adrian2040 is right. MML isn't that unique -- especially in this day and age -- in storytelling, gameplay, or themes. And it IS outdated, with games like Ratchet and Clank leading the third-person platform shooter genre, and who really cares about the "adventure" aspect, lol.
I used to play one of the "Armored Core" games to get my extra MML action fix, with LR set for turning, and dpad for strafing. LOL. The controls are virtually identical.
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May 7, 2012 22:30:10 GMT -5
Post by Dashe on May 7, 2012 22:30:10 GMT -5
I don't see it as being negative. I'm being realistic in refusing to let the cancellation of a game affect my day-to-day psyche. It's a damn shame that Legends 3 is very unlikely to ever see the light of day, I'll give you that, but I'm not going to sit around and whine about it. Whining, in my opinion, is very unbecoming of anyone. Shit happens. Things get cancelled. When I heard that Stephen King's Dark Tower series was going to be made into a movie series, I was ecstatic. I didn't let it get to me when I found out that it's been in limbo for the past year and a half. Maybe you do disagree with my method of just shrugging it off. Maybe the Legends series is of much larger impact in your life than it was mine. But at the bottom line, it's a video game and we're all human beings with bigger issues to worry about. Don't just label me as being a pessimist. In fact, I'm the opposite. I'd still be delighted if Legends 3 was produced and released. However, I'm not going to hold out until it gets released, because to do so would be silly. My parents taught me to hope for the best and prepare for the worst, so that's exactly what I'm doing. I might be blunt about it and suggesting that people move on without further explanation may not be the most tactful way to go about it, but if you look at Legends 3 in relation to the big picture, is it still that big of a deal? Telling everyone to shut up about Mega Man Legends 3 on a Mega Man Legends message board is a pretty ridiculous thing to do. It's much more tactful to just...you know... not post about it at all if any mere mention of the game bothers you so much. Take the high road and keep your mouth shut if you have nothing encouraging to say. Or, you know, find a board that isn't about Mega Man Legends, so you can move on and talk about something different. If you've got issues with anyone wanting to voice support for Mega Man Legends 3 openly at all, then seriously. What are you doing in the "Legends 3 Revival Movement" section of this forum in the first place? Just don't read and don't respond to the posts here if all you're going to do is tell people to give up and crush their spirits. So you believe that the Legends series is the only series of games that does not do the old same-old-same-old routine? You seriously need to be more open-minded. There are a lot of great, legendary both new and old franchises that still show new potential with new and interesting ideas. Adrian, I don't care about video games enough to want to spend money on systems so I can try other ones. Not caring about gaming does not make me closed minded. I'd rather have less-expensive and less time-consuming hobbies. I know you looooove debating, but I don't, and I am definitely not in a debating mood right now. *Not applicable to Dashe Troxon, who really cares more about plot than gameplay, and for that reason really just prefers watching movies.
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May 7, 2012 23:54:08 GMT -5
Post by SketchMan3 on May 7, 2012 23:54:08 GMT -5
*Not applicable to Dashe Troxon, who really cares more about plot than gameplay, and for that reason really just prefers watching movies. If only the rest of the gaming world thought this way, we'd probably have Megaman Legends up to 10 by now, a live action movie, anime adaptation, and MMORPG. lol And the obligatory trading card game. Oh, and Game Boy interquels. And a Broadway musical for good measure. It's funny, my sister thinks MML is one of the best games ever, and all she ever did was watch me play it. She's also a Megaman/Tron fan =\ She's also not a big gamer, though she can hold her own if need be. I think the two of you would get along well.
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Post by Dashe on May 8, 2012 0:14:50 GMT -5
*Not applicable to Dashe Troxon, who really cares more about plot than gameplay, and for that reason really just prefers watching movies. If only the rest of the gaming world thought this way, we'd probably have Megaman Legends up to 10 by now, a live action movie, anime adaptation, and MMORPG. lol And the obligatory trading card game. Oh, and Game Boy interquels. And a Broadway musical for good measure. It's funny, my sister thinks MML is one of the best games ever, and all she ever did was watch me play it. She's also a Megaman/Tron fan =\ She's also not a big gamer, though she can hold her own if need be. I think the two of you would get along well. We probably would get along, even if she liked him better with Roll. I liked how interactive -everything- was and how so many things changed as you progressed through the story, but every character kept the same personality, even down to the most insignificant townsperson. It was like a video game where there were no small parts (only small actors). It's hard to find one like that, where you really feel like you're in the town and getting to know the people in it. Even Legends 2 didn't quite live up to that particular bit. Oh, and if Legends were that popular, I'd probably be dirt broke right now buying all the tie-ins and games. And probably more into gaming, if plot were the more significant factor in game design.
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Post by karkatvantas on May 8, 2012 0:17:31 GMT -5
I'm not trying to crush your spirit, I'm trying to remind you to keep your feet planted on the ground. But if you're going to respond with that much venom, why bother?
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Post by Adrian2040 on May 8, 2012 2:15:51 GMT -5
*Not applicable to Dashe Troxon, who really cares more about plot than gameplay, and for that reason really just prefers watching movies. Asura's Wrath, Heavy Rain, Metal Gear Solid 4, Limbo, Sam and Max, The Secret of Monkey Island, Persona 4 and even Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception come to mind. And you don't even need to invest on a console for a lot of good story-telling games. After all, I guess you have a semi-decent PC or Mac. In other words: Money is no excuse and Legends isn't the only Story-Heavy game by far. FYI, I lost my love for debating long ago.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2012 5:41:19 GMT -5
So if someone has the opinion of not believing Legends 3 will return, and actually want others to hear this, can't come in this part of the topic? If he wants to suggest to others that they should give up and move on, he can't because that is negative? No one ever thought about that being a suggestion that would make someone happier? Hell, we wouldn't even have Legends, Battle Network and Starforce, if it wasn't for Inafune. Capcom doesn't care about Legends at all. They won't revive it, because there's no Inafune to push on. Capcom alone won't risk an unsuccessful game / new series unless they're sure about it being well received. 100k ain't that much. Half of them probably wouldn't even buy it (considering all the anime likes and stuff). That's not a market. This forum? lol, there are... 30 people talking about the game right now? Most of the other registers have already moved on / care not about the series at all. Why why why are we being so unrealistic? This topic was about someone sharing opinions about this whole case and it turned into a flame war. Tell me we're suppossed to act like this on a forum about this game:
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Post by Kyle on May 8, 2012 6:17:47 GMT -5
So if someone has the opinion of not believing Legends 3 will return, and actually want others to hear this, can't come in this part of the topic? If he wants to suggest to others that they should give up and move on, he can't because that is negative? I understand your argument, Truner, but there are certain things you gotta' take into consideration: 1) Suggesting that a person "move on" isn't the most tactful thing to say, especially over the internet. Maybe Hank didn't mean to offend people, but from looking at his previous posts, you can clearly see why somebody would take it badly. For example; I'll give you that, but I'm not going to sit around and whine about it. Whining, in my opinion, is very unbecoming of anyone. Shit happens. Things get cancelled. Maybe it isn't the greatest quote for me to use, but for better or worse, it does set the tone that he's speaking in. At least, in my opinion anyway. 2) As Dashe mentioned earlier this is the "Legends 3 Revival Movement". Debating about something is fine, but telling somebody to move on in a revival movement thread is just... well... out of place and not necessary. So, ultimately, let's not go down this road, mmkay? Let's just leave it a that.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2012 7:33:04 GMT -5
In that case, let's have a "Legends 3 Moving On" sub-forum, shall we? Also, did Hanky delete himself or is he banned for nothing at all?
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Post by SketchMan3 on May 8, 2012 9:18:42 GMT -5
I'll do whatever stuffs I can to help the cause, but I'm not agonizing over it for hours, but I'm not giving others grief about wanting to do so. If anything, that's just going to harden their hearts further. Self-QFE It does seem a bit silly to go onto a MML forum, with it's leaders being a big part of the revival movement to the point of even having a sub-board for it, and constantly spout "just give it up" at every. single. opportunity. You can only nag people so often before they snap. That's like an atheist going to a synagogue every sabbath and trying to contradict the rabbi every time he attributes something to God. Or a Christian going to a "free-thinkers" convention and trying to preach in the middle of a "we don't pray, we take responsibility" rally (or whatever those people do when they get together). Let's not forget Cave Story. And it's free. Oh wait, but it's retro and 2d =\ Journey Man was the game back in the day. Seiklus is unique in that it tells it's story through gameplay and exploration.
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May 8, 2012 12:56:34 GMT -5
Post by Dashe on May 8, 2012 12:56:34 GMT -5
Hank deleted himself. If he were banned, his account would still be active, but he wouldn't be allowed to access it. Seriously, being negative about Legends on this forum is a major breach of respect for this series, and you have no idea how many people with positive things to say are literally scared off of this site because of it. There are SO many other forums out there where people bash and discourage the Legends 3 movement. We don't need people doing it on the Legends 3 board, period. So no, you can't spread the word of hopelessness around here. And no, you're not getting a board about being negative, since that really could apply to about 90% of other forums on the internet in their entirety. It's okay to not want to revive Mega Man Legends, but if you're adamantly against it, just stay out of the Mega Man Legends 3 Revival forum. It does seem a bit silly to go onto a MML forum, with it's leaders being a big part of the revival movement to the point of even having a sub-board for it, and constantly spout "just give it up" at every. single. opportunity. You can only nag people so often before they snap. That's like an atheist going to a synagogue every sabbath and trying to contradict the rabbi every time he attributes something to God. Or a Christian going to a "free-thinkers" convention and trying to preach in the middle of a "we don't pray, we take responsibility" rally (or whatever those people do when they get together). Quoted for truth.
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May 8, 2012 13:25:28 GMT -5
Post by Adrian2040 on May 8, 2012 13:25:28 GMT -5
Can this topic be closed now?
After all, the original post was more of a rant about how Capcom, according to the original poster, sucks now rather than being about the Legends 3 Revival Movement itself.
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