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Post by Tau on Aug 17, 2010 0:31:26 GMT -5
Huh, I can't say I saw this coming. Understandable, though. Well, I highly believe in that old phrase "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil". but my belief is more "If you hear, or see it, you're likely to do/say it." So you can see why i would rather prefer we not lighten up, huh? (I would prefer not to pick these terms up myself.) If you're using Firefox, you can use Greasemonkey and a profanity filter script. It will automatically censor any site you visit. addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748/userscripts.org/scripts/show/7286
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adam1589
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Post by adam1589 on Aug 17, 2010 1:16:16 GMT -5
Huh, I can't say I saw this coming. Understandable, though. Well, I highly believe in that old phrase "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil". but my belief is more "If you hear, or see it, you're likely to do/say it." So you can see why i would rather prefer we not lighten up, huh? (I would prefer not to pick these terms up myself.) If you're using Firefox, you can use Greasemonkey and a profanity filter script. It will automatically censor any site you visit. addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748/userscripts.org/scripts/show/7286It's not working...am I doing anything wrong? Do I need to enable something?
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Post by Buster Cannon on Aug 17, 2010 10:45:20 GMT -5
Oh wow, it works on Chrome too! That said, it more than likely won't block profanities on MMLS due to the way they're posted. The above swears in this thread are censor circumvented, so they won't be blocked because of that. For example, instead of typing:
Hello you'd type
Hel[b][/b]lo which produces the same result. If someone actually outright swears, it'll catch it, although Proboards will more than likely edit it first unless fab/Dashe changed something recently.
Well, I highly believe in that old phrase "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil". but my belief is more "If you hear, or see it, you're likely to do/say it." So you can see why i would rather prefer we not lighten up, huh? (I would prefer not to pick these terms up myself.) I see where you're coming from, but that's not necessarily true. I'm not the biggest fan of the rule shift myself (even if it does make my job a little easier xD), but from what I can see people aren't taking it to the extreme, and I really haven't noticed a broad change. In terms of cussing, it's not really one of those things that you'll inherit after seeing it on a message board here and there. Personally, I don't do it at all despite hearing it everyday IRL. All depends on how strong your convictions are.
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adam1589
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Post by adam1589 on Aug 17, 2010 12:27:36 GMT -5
Well, I highly believe in that old phrase "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil". but my belief is more "If you hear, or see it, you're likely to do/say it." So you can see why i would rather prefer we not lighten up, huh? (I would prefer not to pick these terms up myself.) I see where you're coming from, but that's not necessarily true. I'm not the biggest fan of the rule shift myself (even if it does make my job a little easier xD), but from what I can see people aren't taking it to the extreme, and I really haven't noticed a broad change. In terms of cussing, it's not really one of those things that you'll inherit after seeing it on a message board here and there. Personally, I don't do it at all despite hearing it everyday IRL. All depends on how strong your convictions are. My convictions are pretty strong but when one quotes another, that the other had cussed in said quote, it's really hard to convey that other's point without saying the cuss...and just that little drop, be it just due to being a quote, is still an evil, so I'd rather not see it at all so that way i can leave whatever bad-word it was up to the imagination of my listeners. So you see, whilst my convictions are strong there're some situations where i cant avoid it at times...unless it wasn't there to begin with...
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Post by Dashe on Aug 17, 2010 12:38:38 GMT -5
Aw Heck, lighten up. :-\ Direct-quoting is optional if you address the person in-post, like I just did.
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Post by Pitch on Aug 17, 2010 13:08:01 GMT -5
I'd like to jump on what Miss Dashe just said and ask that people lay off a bit on quoting entire posts. I've been seeing it a lot lately: people quoting entire posts that quote entire posts themselves! @___@ If you're not replying to any specific part of someone's post, there's really no reason to quote at all. We know what the other person said — most likely he or (Da)she does as well.
Of course, I'm just asking. If anything, it's a minor annoyance, really.
I guess that doesn't really have anything to do with this topic. Hmm. Well, I have to say I didn't really get the point of this rule change myself. Seems like in reasonable cases, the staff tended to look the other way when someone would bypass the censors already. I guess it's nice that it's an official part of the rules now. And I get that it's saving the staff some trouble of noting posts/etc, which is nice.. Still, it seems like it's trying to solve a problem we didn't really have. I may be mistaken, though.
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Post by adam1589 on Aug 17, 2010 13:09:25 GMT -5
Aw Heck, lighten up. :-\ Direct-quoting is optional if you address the person in-post, like I just did. I'm trying to be as light as a feather Boss. I'm just saying I'm not for this idea.
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Post by in·clover on Aug 17, 2010 13:22:03 GMT -5
@green: Like so? Someone already tried to accommodate you, which wasn't even necessary. If four letter words are really that evil, and you're afraid of what they'll make you do, I'm not sure what you're doing with an internet connection.Nothing has really changed other then the staff acknowledging it.
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Post by Pitch on Aug 17, 2010 14:16:43 GMT -5
ic That'd be the idea, really, yeah. However you want to do it. Now that I look at it, it's actually in the rules as a definition of SPAM, but it's a loosely defined one. #3: Do not SPAM (Stupid Pointless Annoying Message). . . - Posts which quote the entire last post without good reason is considered SPAM. If you aren't replying to the entire post, you can cut down the quote to only include that which you're replying to or commenting on. If you are replying to the entire post, you should consider not quoting at all or breaking the quote into smaller sections and replying to each part between the quotes.
Aw Heck, if you feel the need to quote people directly, feel free to censor the quote yourself. I don't think anyone would mind. If you copy/paste instead of using the actual Quote button, the word censors will probably pick it up themselves, unless the staff turns those off, too.
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Post by in·clover on Aug 17, 2010 15:48:39 GMT -5
At the risk of deviating further off topic, I mostly quote entire posts when the posts quoted are from another thread entirely. This happens a lot, with so many similar threads ( like recently) that it can be kind of necessary. I openly admit I've done this ( and that it's more than likely what brought this about). When cutting/pasting/trimming every snippet in response is more work than the post itself I just leave it whole. Meh.
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Post by Pitch on Aug 17, 2010 16:17:59 GMT -5
At the risk of continuing to deviate further off topic, that's completely different from what I meant. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with that; not that my concern goes very far around here. Keep doing that. There are a few examples * of what I mean in this topic already from what I can see. @__@ They're admittedly smaller than normal, but still. And any of the random DASH 3 speculation threads probably have a bunch of it, too. I tried to think of something else to say about the recent change in MI2, but I couldn't think of anything. So yeah. Sorry.
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Post by Dashe on Aug 17, 2010 16:53:46 GMT -5
Okay, okay, steering this back on topic...
I turned the word censors off. If we're going to let up on the rule, it's a logical maneuver. Plus, some of those censors were just plain awkward.
To paraphrase and reiterate, basically...just don't blindly copy/paste quotes in your replies and you can absolutely avoid quoting four-letter words. And honestly? There is no way anybody here's so impressionable that as soon as they see curse words on forums they start dropping f-bombs left and right. Most of us are somewhere in our twenties. If your values are really that strong you shouldn't have any difficulty sticking to them.
I highly doubt I'll be cursing at all unless they drop Mega Man Legends 3 on us, and even then it's probably really unlikely.
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adam1589
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Post by adam1589 on Aug 17, 2010 17:37:53 GMT -5
There is no way anybody here's so impressionable that as soon as they see curse words on forums they start dropping f-bombs left and right. Most of us are somewhere in our twenties. If your values are really that strong you shouldn't have any difficulty sticking to them. I highly doubt I'll be cursing at all unless they drop Mega Man Legends 3 on us, and even then it's probably really unlikely. True, once or twice wont be a bother, but when your family is a set of red-neck wannabe beer-drinking "i-think-i-know-it-all-but-i-am-really-stupid" Country Hicks from Texas...who claim they serve God and still cuss up a storm, that plus web = highly shaken morals. So you do at least see why i cant stand such words... Ah well, what is done is done...
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Post by Qwertman on Aug 17, 2010 20:57:55 GMT -5
I find it interesting that all this is coming from you aw heck. Is there really much of a difference between saying heck and hell? They mean the same exact thing. The way I see it, the only reason people use expletive substitutes is because they're so used to them. For some reason parents find it necessary to shun expression words of a higher degree (AKA swearing). This leads to things like abuse of swearing. Some younger kids, when first learning swear words, take pride in over using them. It's just like alchohol, in other countries the drinking age is much lower, and during holidays and religious events its fine for kids to have a bit of wine. Guess what? Then amount of alcoholics and drug abusers is way lower in those countries. Censorship in this way CAN promote abuse in rebellious people, and that seems to apply to swearing as well. As for your relatives, it's just their culture. Their parents swore so they do as well, it's what they know. All in all this is a topic of offense. I take offense to this or that, you know? So in conclusion I'd like to share a brilliant forum post I found a long time ago on the SMF website: mmls.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=comments&thread=3623
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adam1589
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Post by adam1589 on Aug 17, 2010 21:23:01 GMT -5
Coming from me? Well, i'd say: technically, only the issue of "let's not ease up" is coming from me...
"Heck" and "Hell" are much different than you imply: "Hell" is a religious place bent on torture of those who by the religion in question were deemed unworthy of salvation, "Heck" is another way of saying "Oh no", "Not Happening" or even as you put it, the cuss-word version of that religious underworld.
In the case of my user-name "Aw Heck" it's more a red-neck phrase that means either, "Oops", "Oh no", or even "well-well".
Oh joy, word deciphering!
In truth, my username isn't a utilization of a cuss word unless the reader interprets it as so, and with my sig, it's hard for them to see it as aimed ill, especially since it's a well known fact, just from my typing that i'm a full-grown Texan and lived there all my life. That factors in because of Texas-lingo, which by the way is very similar to Red-neck speech.
I've voiced my opinion though so no matter, let's get back on topic....
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