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Post by Dashe on Jul 29, 2007 21:58:10 GMT -5
Don't take anything personally, being evil's just in the job description. I'd end this conversation before I write you both up for off-topic two-way conversation, though, unless, of course, you start talking about Eden.
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Post by Dragge on Jul 30, 2007 10:02:30 GMT -5
I think that Eden is exclusive to only Kattelox Island. I know we see all that stuff around Elysium but that could be anything. Sorry about the conversation, came from nowhere.
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Post by marshmallowman on Jul 30, 2007 12:55:56 GMT -5
I think so too. It seems inefficient not to have more than one. Perhaps Eden can reinitialize an island the size of Kattelox in a matter of minutes, but what if multiple islands required reinitialization at once? What about a large land mass such as Calinca? If the Master's precious carbons were to pose what the system considered to be a significant threat to the Master System, could one Eden really be enough to perform a timely wipe on a global scale? The name of the game is to protect and serve the Master, so I couldn't see them not going to any lengths to insure his and the system's safety in the event of a carbon revolt, or an elder system uprising, or whatever the case may be. Perhaps some islands can share a satellite, or perhaps a larger one might need a few. For them, overkill is nothing to maintain order, while not doing enough could be fatally destructive. Besides, we do have the credits pic and Calbania as examples that there were and are still multiple satellites around space which are significantly similar to what we've seen of Eden, so the concept is not far-fetched at all, even if we can't be assured of the purpose of the rest of the Eden-like satellites.
Responding to an earlier thread, I think the reason Eden didn't notify Mother itself is for security protocols. It mentions deleting the log of Trigger's activities. Purifiers' duties seem to be of a top secret clearence level, and likely a full detailed report is expected to be made by Trigger to a Mother unit personally in regards to the suspected irregularity of a system unit.Purifiers are like secret police after all, and it wouldn't do for an irregular unit who might be in league with others to gain access to a Purifier's activities.
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Post by Pitch on Jul 30, 2007 14:25:51 GMT -5
I disagree: I think 10,000 workers in one station — mind you,with technology far beyond the carbon's reach — is more than enough to keep the carbons in check. By the way, the name of the game is "population control"( Juno: According to Urban Military Security Ordinance A10, the number of carbon units is not allowed to increase beyond a pre-specified limit; if this happens, they are to be purged immediately.), and that's a game easily won by those with power. I've always assumed the Global Scale wipeout used something apart from Eden; because that one actually requires Yuna or Sera(in theory, both) to carry out the command. But I'm not going to bother to say any more, because at this point we're just theorizing over something we all know Capcom never meant for us to think as much about. I would however like to point out that the second thing you said there is in the game, damn-near word for word. Data (speaking for the very first time): Interrupt command. Priority command rerouted to Purifier First Class MegaMan Trigger. Under suspicion of malfunction, Bureaucratic Model Third Class Juno has been deactivated by MegaMan Trigger as per Ordinance 103. MegaMan Trigger hereby requests the indefinite postponement of the previous Reinitialization order, and the deletion of Bureaucratic Model Juno's back-up data. Trigger hereby assumes all Bureaucratic authority for the District, and will petition Mother for guidance at a future date.
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Post by marshmallowman on Jul 30, 2007 16:35:24 GMT -5
I don't think it would matter if there were 10 or 10000 workers aboard Eden, if it had to be in two places halfway across the world at once, it already fails. If aberrants were to sabotage or strike a blow to Eden, and there were no other satellites with similar function, would the whole Terra system collapse? Putting all their eggs in one basket like that would be dangerous. If a rebellious bureaucrat somewhere decided to start his own carbon army, would 10000 workers (were they soldiers or whatever) really be enough to subdue them? Seems like a gamble.
Carbons are courageous, clever, free-willed beings that are dangerous to the structure of the system. The bureaucrats need to protect the Master from his own science project. It seems most efficient if they have several satellites poised to strike, each specializing in their region, to cover all their bets smoothly. We know they had some plan with the Carbon Reinitialization Program to wipe clean every island. If Eden is the only satellite capable of reinitializing, it might take days, weeks, if met with sufficient resistance, perhaps months to secure the world, provided it can finish the task. It just seems to me, with all the resources at their disposal, nothing to gain and everything to lose, why not go all out, why not have more than one space fortress.
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Post by Pitch on Jul 30, 2007 19:20:17 GMT -5
Carbons don't even know what the System is, much less what Eden is. Juno used Eden for Population Control, it never had anything to do with an uprising. ( script) Regular keeping the population in check before the Carbons become numerous or capable enough to reach Eden ought to be enough to keep them from causing harm to it. Carbons can't read the System language(whatever it is), and so would be quite lost if they got into any of the deeper System ruins.(see: Clozer Woods Subgate) Purifiers are the ones supposed to deal with Aberrant Units; if there were an uprising on Terra, a Purifier(or Purifiers) would be dispatched. This thing that descended on Kattelox when Juno called for the Reinitialization came out of this thing(I assume this is Eden), which is easily large enough to hold more than one; if more than one area needed attention at the same time, I'm sure they'd have that covered. Once again, I find this entire debate pointless because I really doubt Capcom's even going to pay any attention to these details if they ever do anything DASH related again(if anything they'll only make less sense of it than we are). Sooo, yeah. You're entirely free to believe whatever you'd like to believe, don't let me stop you. I've certainly thought less sensible things about it.
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Post by dominater69 on Dec 29, 2007 18:32:23 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Green is right eden is in that part of the story i am in this level and it is eden the main virus computer in space which jouno lanches !![/glow]
{Noted by EC - 'Necroposting'/Unnecessary Bump}
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