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Post by Musashi on May 17, 2006 22:19:53 GMT -5
Sorry, I haven't played Legends 2 in ages, nor have I beat it T_T...so what exactly is eden? I know what elysium is, but whats eden!? A sub heaven of sorts? Or am I just stupid? And one other thing! I read this post made by Shifter saying that Elysium was first introduced in X5, but it isn't, Eurasia=Elysium?
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Post by Pitch on May 17, 2006 22:30:31 GMT -5
No, one of the endings in either X5 or 6 actually had X build a place called Elysium. I don't really think it matches up though, in light of the Zero series. It was likely some sort of dream.
I think there may be a separate Eden for each district. But that much isn't certain. MegaMan Juno used Eden to start Re-Initialization on Kattleox, and to request a back up of his shell and memories, lest Trigger destroy him. However, beyond that, he seemed to depend upon Mother who would reside in Elysium. So I'm guessing Eden is just that, a sub-heaven, for the lower ranking System Units(like Bureaucratic Units) to use in excercising their power while still being overseen by Yuna and Sera.
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Post by Musashi on May 17, 2006 22:47:26 GMT -5
Oh, that explains alot..thanks ;D ;D
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Post by Pitch on May 17, 2006 22:51:04 GMT -5
Also, it's just a wild shot, but Eden might've been were Yuna lived prior to her staying on Terra to guard Sera. Just something I thought of. Elysium is Heaven - Eden was Heaven on Earth. Sera watched over Elysium - Yuna watched over Terra. There may well be some connection there, though it's not absolute..
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Post by Musashi on May 17, 2006 23:39:18 GMT -5
Yeah, that would make sense, man, why does capcom leave in so many 'maybes' for the Rockman series?
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Post by Reaverguy Rises on May 18, 2006 0:03:57 GMT -5
Because Capcom won't make another good Mega Man game for a good Mega Man series.
To me Eden sounds like a huge and powerful computer system created for dealing with many operations as well as downloading the data of units so they can be restored. I may be wrong, It has been a while sense I've played MML 1&2.
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Post by Dashe on May 18, 2006 16:07:47 GMT -5
I always figured it was a computer too--one that controls the reinitialization for a specific location, like a satellite or something. Or maybe it's actually a computer program designed to set off the cataclysmic reinitilization events. Is there any point in the game where Juno or any of those computers said that Eden was something tangible? I haven't finished MML in a while.
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Post by Pitch on May 18, 2006 16:55:27 GMT -5
Direct from the script: Spoilers, of course. MEGAMAN JUNO PART 1:
Juno: Hmm...It appears I miscalculated the odds of your ability to escape that trap. You are, however, too late; Eden was activated as soon as I entered this room. It cannot be deactivated as long as I, the Master Key of this island, remain here in this control room. All that remains now is to wait for Eden to enter transmission range, and send the command to execute the reinitialization of this island. (shows Eden from Earth orbit along with a bunch of space junk) Juno: Once that command is received, the 10,000 workers aboard Eden will execute it immediately. My estimates indicate their work will be completed in less than five minutes. (Eden comes down to center of Kattelox Island) Juno: Now that Eden has been activated, any further interference from you will remain on file, thus tarnishing my operating record. Fortunately, you are suffering from memory loss and fragmentation. Therefore, as keeper of this island, I hereby exercise my Prerogative of Correctional Displacation. MegaMan (confused): Prerogative of Correctional...What!? Juno: Allow me to rephrase; I will exercise my authority to terminate your program. |
It's been a while since I played, and I don't have my own set done yet, but I think Eden was what's pictured in this screenshot fab took, eh.
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Post by Dashe on May 18, 2006 17:19:22 GMT -5
So it's a control center then, huh? Well, it could still be a satellite... Whatever it is, it's in space, it controls the carbon reinitialization, and it has a lot of system operators onboard...and it's linked with Elysium.
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Post by Blues on May 18, 2006 17:24:16 GMT -5
Hold on! Wasen't all those thing above Terra seperate Eden's for diffrent islands? And didn't that thing stuck in Glyde's base look like the capsule Eden's 10,000 worker's were coming in? That would explain all the ruins on the island...
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Post by Pitch on May 18, 2006 18:30:09 GMT -5
I always just assumed whatever society was original on Calbania got wiped out in Trigger and Sera's battle. And well, Dashe, by definition I suppose it would be a satellite. @_@ - Astronomy. A celestial body that orbits a planet; a moon.
- Aerospace. An object launched to orbit Earth or another celestial body.
And all that other stuff, pretty much yeah. I just meant to say, it's not just a computer.
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Post by ravenf6 on May 18, 2006 20:25:12 GMT -5
Direct from the script: Spoilers, of course. MEGAMAN JUNO PART 1:
Juno: Hmm...It appears I miscalculated the odds of your ability to escape that trap. You are, however, too late; Eden was activated as soon as I entered this room. It cannot be deactivated as long as I, the Master Key of this island, remain here in this control room. All that remains now is to wait for Eden to enter transmission range, and send the command to execute the reinitialization of this island. (shows Eden from Earth orbit along with a bunch of space junk) Juno: Once that command is received, the 10,000 workers aboard Eden will execute it immediately. My estimates indicate their work will be completed in less than five minutes. (Eden comes down to center of Kattelox Island) Juno: Now that Eden has been activated, any further interference from you will remain on file, thus tarnishing my operating record. Fortunately, you are suffering from memory loss and fragmentation. Therefore, as keeper of this island, I hereby exercise my Prerogative of Correctional Displacation. MegaMan (confused): Prerogative of Correctional...What!? Juno: Allow me to rephrase; I will exercise my authority to terminate your program. |
It's been a while since I played, and I don't have my own set done yet, but I think Eden was what's pictured in this screenshot fab took, eh. A gaint sattllite with a NASTY laser! In one sense it's sort of extensionof Kamui (japanese for "Power of God") for the System. If the System was originally established as it was in MML2, Eden's main function is to act as a storage/ repair area for Beauracratic models if something goes wrong (since Juno nearly did that), it sends that red-eyed monolith to purge the area sent, sort of like the power that in would be similar to the power that destroyed the ancient kingdoms of Sodom and Gamorroa (sp?) in the old testament. It could then be concluded the system (at least from the evidence), was the closet thing to Heaven in the series, at least, in a physical sense since you actaully go to Elysim in MML2.
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Post by Rage on May 18, 2006 20:51:32 GMT -5
Too bad you aren't able to board Eden. I was wondering why in the (beep) heck are the people of Kattolox still on the island. You'd think they move already. Take all the nice and leave. Eden could be many things. Like didn't Mega man say something Eden (OK more or less) on the Clozer ruins and the Main gate. Something about the re-activation of Eden. Maybe Eden is some badarse unit that's higher then the Master or the Master's right hand man.
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Post by Santa Melty on May 18, 2006 21:42:46 GMT -5
Eden’s purpose was never fully explained; all we can do if infer. In fact, I think we were discussing something of this nature in that thread about the elder system. I’ll just give my take on it. Most of the information we have about Eden was what was given to us in the short span of Juno's cameo, so it is, fortunately, very easy to gather. Foremost, we know that he could use it to begin a district reinitialization. We also know that he can store his own data in Eden in order to make a backup, which he tried to do before Data deleted him. The first one is fairly straightforward. Orbit is an ideal place from which a doomsday device could purge infidels. And besides granting it mobility, it also protected it from carbons who may try to tamper with the data, as would probably happen if such data was kept someplace land-based. Hence why Juno had to store his data there. In fact, most of the System data from Terra is probably stored on some Eden somewhere for that reason. Its position was very strategic. (EDIT: Wait, I think I lost my train of thought for a second there... Let me try that again. First, it can reinitialize. Second, it can store data. Third, it does all of this from orbit. *nods*) We also have this, if you want to take it as some sort of evidence. www.legends-station.com/mml2/screens/screen-106.jpgThe space between Terra and Elysium, I assume. Clearly visible in orbit around Terra are a series of... bottle-shaped doohickeys, which could easily be different Eden. In fact, I don’t think they could be anything else. They have the shape for it, and it is unlikely that they are merely space debris that got caught in the planet’s orbit. Anyway, with so many, there is a good chance that there is one for each district or two. So, it acts as the cornerstone of the reinitialization, as well as a place to store information. Interestingly, for something that supposedly holds such significance in their system, Eden seems to be abhorrently inefficient. With only a limited number of bureaucrats, you’d think their data would be backed up automatically, rather than them having to request it. You’d also figure that Juno would have been wise enough to back himself up ahead of time, but that’s probably a different issue altogether. Eden also needed to request that Yuna be informed that Trigger had taken up bureaucratic duties on Kattleox. So, they apparently don’t have any good lines of communication set up either. That's an interesting take on it, but it seems a bit disadvantageous to manage a planet the size of Terra from a small satellite. Also, going back to that bit about Eden requesting that Yuna be informed of Triggers usurpation of Juno, if Yuna had been designated to live on Eden, then it would be a bit pointless to ask Trigger to do it, wouldn't it? That's assuming that Yuna didn't alter the System's data about her whereabouts, of course. Meh. We'll need to chew on that one. Sounds like a long shot though. ... Huh? o.o Hold on. There was a thing at Glyde's base? I don't remember that. There was Yuna/Trigger's pod, but that didn't look anything like that giant hexagon tower thing Eden sent down during reinitialization. No, no. Clozer was where you opened the door to the Main Gate. In order to do that, you needed either 3 keys or a direct approval from Eden. Obviously, the Eden approval was out of the question, which is why you needed to find the keys. From the transcripts: Odd that you'd need approval from Eden though. I suppose that would mean that it actually serves some sort of administrative purpose, aside from being a tool for the bureaucrats. Perhaps there was some system of cross-checking between them. It might explain the lack of organization Juno seemed to show with his Eden, anyway.
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Post by Pitch on May 18, 2006 22:15:13 GMT -5
Too bad you aren't able to board Eden. I was wondering why in the (beep) heck are the people of Kattolox still on the island. You'd think they move already. Take all the nice and leave. Eden could be many things. Like didn't Mega man say something Eden (OK more or less) on the Clozer ruins and the Main gate. Something about the re-activation of Eden. Maybe Eden is some badarse unit that's higher then the Master or the Master's right hand man. The Disaster is Legendary for a reason. The people of Kattleox didn't know what to expect, and with neither Mother Unit really excercising her power after Trigger's stand against the System, Terra entered the aptly named time of Halcyon. That said, Yuna probably spent a good amount of time on Terra after Trigger and Sera fought to their standstill. She did have to seal up all those foolish mortals who dared make an attempt at the very much un-aptly named "Forbidden" Island that made such a nice level so very early on in Legends 2. But I suppose it is a bit small to be inhabited, but then again. Ten THOUSAND workers on it. Gotta be some room there. I dunno, I've just always kinda wondered where Yuna stayed. The trip from Elyisum to Terra probably takes a while, so I kinda figured she couldn't live there. And well, if the 10,000 workers on Eden could be ready in as little as five minutes(slightly longer, but still). It would be an ideal location for Yuna to excercise all her Motherly powers; close enough to Terra for her to come down and deal with matters herself if need be, and as you mentioned, all the controls are far, faaaaaaar away from any Carbons. It's still a long shot, but I think it'd be interesting..
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