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Post by Raijin on Dec 17, 2010 18:20:32 GMT -5
I won't comment at all on the aesthetics of the names other than mentioning that gamers have gotten used to some pretty stupid names for their most beloved characters, so from that angle I don't think it even matters.
As for which name I voted for, I'll just copy my little rant left in the Unity post comment thread: ------- Aero. My vote is against name changes in general. It's an unnecessary and outdated practice for localizations that only serves to make the metacommentary more complicated and confusing.
It worked before the internet, before the audience in one region was even aware of the differences in the other. There's no avoiding the awareness now though, and while various people will prefer one name or the other, there wouldn't be any controversy at all if there were only one name to begin with.
If she stays Sephira, so be it. We've gotten used to a ton of localized name changes in the Mega Man franchise, "Mega Man" included, one more won't kill us. I look forward to a day when name changes stop entirely though, and so I hope Capcom's "surprise" at the backlash on this one will lead to more consistency in the future. ------
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Post by VolnuttChan on Dec 17, 2010 18:24:52 GMT -5
I really couldn't care less about what the heroine's gonna be called. Legends 3 is coming, and what is really all that matters at this point is seeing it to the end without something delaying it or setting it back another few months.
Which is actually kinda what this whole name ordeal is looking like it's gonna do.
Now if they made a feature in the game that allowed you to choose what you wanted her name to be in-game, that would be kinda neat. But that's just me, as usual.
Final decision: I don't really care.
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Post by Dashe on Dec 17, 2010 18:27:36 GMT -5
Don't you mean 'couldn't care less?' I don't see Legends 3 getting set back for months just because of a character's name. It can't be that hard to change if they haven't even written any English dialogue, can it?
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Post by Pitch on Dec 17, 2010 18:30:29 GMT -5
Now if they made a feature in the game that allowed you to choose what you wanted her name to be in-game, that would be kinda neat. But that's just me, as usual. Hah. I actually kind of like that idea. I have no idea why they'd decide to include something like that now of all times, but it could be nifty. (Just the one character though? Or maybe you could name the whole team... that's getting closer to darfox's multiplayer idea) Of course, it could always end up resulting in some downright silly names that are much worse than the options we have here. XD I agree with pretty much everything Raijin said. Except I don't really mind name changes in localizations. In a limited sense. Sometimes it just has to be done. >_< I really could care less about what the heroine's gonna be called. Legends 3 is coming My thoughts exactly. This is a really really trivial issue. It's loads more trivial than the heroine poll was. We really shouldn't be making such a big deal of it.
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Post by Dashe on Dec 17, 2010 18:35:29 GMT -5
My favorite part of Final Fantasy was always giving your entire party really stupid names. When they started using full voice acting and stopped letting you name the characters, I got bored with the games entirely. And I don't think I've ever played through a Zelda game with a character named Link.
But the characters in Legends are compelling enough that custom-naming them all isn't something I'd actually want to do. There's just something different about these guys that made me not only not care that you couldn't change their names, but want to go into all those other games and name the characters after Legends characters.
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Post by Alison on Dec 17, 2010 18:41:07 GMT -5
I remember that too! I remember owning a Final Fantasy game for the S.N.E.S. and giving them hilarious names.
As for the vote on the name, I like Sephira, because it sounds pretty.
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Post by VolnuttChan on Dec 17, 2010 18:46:48 GMT -5
Don't you mean ' couldn't care less?' I don't see Legends 3 getting set back for months just because of a character's name. It can't be that hard to change if they haven't even written any English dialogue, can it? They say that even the smallest things can set a huge chain of events in motion. With that said, something as small as a name change like this can probably set even a delay in Legends 3 production back a few months until it's worked out. Regardless, it's probably not that hard to change it if Eng. dialogue's not written yet, but even so, this shouldn't be as much of a big deal as it is now. So, in short, I don't care, and I couldn't care less: I just want to see Legends 3 worked on cooperatively and successfully so that Capcom doesn't think, "Like hell we're ever going to get THAT much fan input ever again" just because of an issue like a simple name change. (I get that consistency is a big deal most of the time, but it's only one name!) (I'm sorry if it seems a little harsh, but after growing up in the time where name changes were seen in nearly every kid anime for Americanization purposes (Sailor Moon, Pokemon, Cardcaptors, Digimon, and Yu-Gi-Oh), it gets to the point where name changes aren't really that bothering, regardless of whether it's game or anime-related.) @ Pitch: Although I will agree that sometimes it's necessary. Had the Ocean Group company dubbed the rest of the Rockman.EXE series (Axess, Stream, Beast, Beast +), there would've at least been one name that I know for certain that would have to either be changed, or have that character's episodes cut. (Because there's no way that a character name "Ja**a**" would be allowed on Kids' WB.) And I will agree with Ally and say that Sephira does sound pretty.
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Post by Pitch on Dec 17, 2010 18:52:03 GMT -5
@ Pitch: Although I will agree that sometimes it's necessary. Had the Ocean Group company dubbed the rest of the Rockman.EXE series (Axess, Stream, Beast, Beast +), there would've at least been one name that I know for certain that would have to either be changed, or have that character's episodes cut. (Because there's no way that a character name "Ja**a**" would be allowed on Kids' WB.) Hah! Yeah, I know what you mean. But when it comes to the dub of Rockman EXE, name changes are the last thing to be concerned about. (Although they did make some hilariously odd decisions, for... god knows what reasons) Some of the name changes in the games threw me a bit too, particularly in the later games. But it's not a big deal. You're absolutely right there. It's just a name. Don't want to make it seem like we're going to get upset over the most trivial of things. Even if it doesn't set back production on the game, it does project a kind of negative image on us...
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Post by Raijin on Dec 17, 2010 18:55:05 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything Raijin said. Except I don't really mind name changes in localizations. In a limited sense. Sometimes it just has to be done. >_< I'll concede that in cases where the original name sounds terribly inappropriate in the localized language, some editorial flexibility is justified. If she started out with the totally-innocent-sounding-in-Japanese name of "Bichifukyu" or something, then sure, I won't complain about the different name in English. There has never been such a name in Megaman's history though, and if their only excuse otherwise is "well, english female names don't tend to end in the letter O", then stop, note that "Roll" and "Tron" don't sound like normal girl names either, and move on. Name changes are entirely unnecessary 99.9% of the time.
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Post by Cleveland Rock on Dec 17, 2010 18:58:17 GMT -5
I have no idea what your complaint is with the name. My complaint is this: It seems like Japan is trying its best to remove the barriers between our languages and cultures by using our words and phrases, such as "Rock and Roll". However, judging by things Keiji Inafune has said, the name "Mega Man" was chosen in conjunction with the infamous " bad box art" because of a silly assumption that Western and Eastern cultures are so different they couldn't possibly both enjoy a cute robot named Rockman. The decision unintentionally resulted in a long-running inside joke and the creation of new language barriers, which completely nullifies the first point I made, that Japan is trying to remove language barriers. I know it sounds silly that my preference for keeping names consistent is politically motivated, but the more things cultures have in common — even if they're minor things like a video game character's name — the closer cultures are to coming together. …Plus, Inafune said he doesn't like the name "Mega Man", and I like to support him.
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Post by Dashe on Dec 17, 2010 19:03:31 GMT -5
VolnuttChan: I see your point, but grammatically speaking, when you want to say that you don't care either way, it's actually 'couldn't care less.' If you could care less, then that means that yes, you do care. If you could not care less about something, you don't care. It's a really common misstep in both spoken and typed English and it's all over Capcom Unity. Most of it comes from General Specific. "] I'm with Raijin 100%, though. Now that we've got the means of effortlessly learning about the discrepancies between versions, it's probably in their best interest to minimize any changes made for localization purposes.
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Post by Pitch on Dec 17, 2010 19:04:25 GMT -5
@cleveland Again, all I can say is you're a little late. If they were ever going to flip back to the name Rockman they should've done it a long time ago. MegaMan has since become a household name; and it's not a bad name. Nevermind the silly reasons for naming him that in the first place.. If you have some specific complaint about Legends other than the name MegaMan, I'd like to hear it. if their only excuse otherwise is "well, english female names don't tend to end in the letter O", then stop, note that "Roll" and "Tron" don't sound like normal girl names either, and move on. Name changes are entirely unnecessary 99.9% of the time. Ahh... riight. Well, Roll's name is part of a pun on Rock's name. Originally I mean. (At least classic MegaMan kept the name “Rock”) Doesn't really work in teh localized MegaMan Legends. (But even then, it's not like they'd change Roll's name after so long) Err... and “Tron Bone” is also a musical pun. I get the spirit of your argument there, but you maaaaybe could've picked a better two names to base it off of. They're odd names, but for very specific reasons.
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Post by Raijin on Dec 17, 2010 19:17:17 GMT -5
I couldn't have picked a better pair of names! My point is that they're odd names, yet the fandom accepts them with their sanity intact. The suits who come up with name changes do so because they think our feeble minds can't handle names that fall outside our cultural norms. It was that kind of thinking that led to killing wordplay like the Rock & Roll thing. Roll and Tron are lucky ones, they easily could have fallen prey to the same dumb logic. In my example, I'm suggesting that a localization teams recognize characters like that and realize that maybe english gamers won't have their brains broken by a name that's a little odd.
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Post by Pitch on Dec 17, 2010 19:25:05 GMT -5
My point is that they're odd names, yet the fandom accepts them with their sanity intact. Err.. right. The fandom accepts them because there's an explanation behind them. o__o If you'd named some unexplained odd names that people accept easily, I'd have been more easily sold on the idea. (Generally speaking; I get that people are annoyed that they killed the Rock and Roll pun, fine, but not all odd names are puns) And, in this case, particularly, Aero doesn't appear to be any sort of pun (at least, not yet) or to have any particularly interesting explanation (in fact, you might say the explanation blows), so it might've been more effective to have used some different names. I get it, though.
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Post by VolnuttChan on Dec 17, 2010 19:33:18 GMT -5
Okay, I get it now. (5 hours out of school already and I'm still screwing up the English language. Geez, I'm screwed!) But so long as it was understood by some, then that's cool. But I see the statement currently being made: that there's no clear, viable reason for the heroine's name change. Wasn't it said somewhere that the name change from Aero to Sephira here was because of a miscommunication?
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