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Post by Blues on Aug 12, 2010 19:07:00 GMT -5
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Post by Dashe on Aug 12, 2010 19:46:26 GMT -5
So this tells us...
#1) He isn't working on it now.
#2) That if he started, he wants to invest enough time and money into it that he's afraid fans will want him to focus on something else, which means that the amount of time and money he wants to invest in it will probably be considerably higher than what he's used to investing in a Mega Man title.
Inafune-san, if your translator is reading this right now, or if you're churning this through Babelfish, rest assured you will have my support.
I mean, we're mostly in our twenties at this point. We know that while we've had the last decade to let our mental image of what this game might end up being like grow and take root and evolve, we're mature enough to realize that whatever we wind up with, when or if we wind up with it, is going to most likely be nothing like what we spent half of our lives (three quarters in some cases) imagining.
On another note, I'm not sure why this isn't just an addendum to the other "HOLY CRAP INAFUNE SPEAKS" thread we've got already. Maybe if we keep the conversation to, "Would you actually support the project no matter which direction Inafune decides to take it?" it'd work on its own.
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Post by Raijin on Aug 12, 2010 20:43:34 GMT -5
Well at least this thread title actually refers to the recent Legends 3 rumors stemming from Inafune's statements as something more specific than "this". I say we keep this one and forget all the others.
Ambiguous message board thread titles is a pet peeve of mine.
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Post by smokeeye123 on Aug 12, 2010 21:00:42 GMT -5
Yay, another year of waiting. :24:
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Post by Darfox8 on Aug 12, 2010 21:22:45 GMT -5
I know I've been playing the part of the lunatic, who refuses to let go, but I honestly don't see that as a denial that they're actually working on it now. Infact, the Conspiracy Theorist in me sees that(the response he gave) coming from a very real fear of his, as apposed to a random concern he's been throwing around in his mind. What I mean is, if he is making Legends 3 and they're getting ready to unveil it then that fear is definitely circling around in his head as we speak.
David Jaffe mentioned that he was pooping bricks in the back of the ice cream truck right before they came out and revealed the new Twisted Metal. He infact, almost said exactly what Inafune said in this interview. "What if people don't want it?" That's why I don't see that quote as a "Show over, let's go home. Maybe next year." kinda thing.
I have to repeat that I don't know 100% that they're making this game, but I do almost 100% expect it. I'm fine with being disappointed and I'm sorry if I'm coming off as annoying or something like that...
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Post by Qwertman on Aug 12, 2010 21:46:22 GMT -5
Yay optimism! I agree with Darfox. In fact it could have simply been a mistranslation.
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Post by Raijin on Aug 12, 2010 23:31:17 GMT -5
Inafune's comments on DASH over the years taken together seem to suggest he takes it a little too seriously. It sounds like he's afraid to make a continuation that isn't perfect in every way. That's why he says it needs guaranteed fan support and a fair-sized budget. The artist in him is conflicting with the fan in him in that he wants another Legends game but he's not sure if another game will be what's best for the series.
It's a legitimate concern. "Always leave the audience wanting more" usually suggests a follow-up will eventually cash in on whatever anticipation one has created, but some would rather just leave things off on a high note than risk losing it all on the encore.
Sadly, a "perfect" MML3 release is pretty farfetched. Inafune could get everything he wants to make the game, and still end up with half-hearted reviews and sales beyond the die-hard fans. That's just the way the industry works. Of course as those die-hard fans, we don't care about those results directly. People panned the first game for straying too far from Megaman's roots and that only bothers us to the point it discourages Capcom from making more.
For our sake, actually getting MML3 may require Inafune lowering his standards. Of course then the quality and charm might suffer. Can't win.
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Post by smokeeye123 on Aug 13, 2010 0:04:05 GMT -5
Well, whatever Inafune is announcing, I guarantee you it will be announced at TGS.
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Post by kkdog4sado on Aug 13, 2010 1:46:52 GMT -5
Hmm aw man...i just don't know. When i think about it, its all just not making sense.
Darfox8 has a good point and i think thats the case, but seriously guys lets try to break it down here(From my logic now sum stuff can be off but w/e).
In 2005 supposely Keiji tried for a Legends 3 i hear, but was denied.
In 2007 he states tht he would need 15 mil to produce a proper sequel.
In 2009 there were numerous rumors for the 1st time in a while and he states when he gets time he'll make a Legends 3(Thus the money problems MAY be out the window)
In April 2010 he becomes head of Research & Development and Online Business and Global Head of Production.
In July 2010 the 1st glimpse of hope is shown for a Legends 3 with the smile comic con thing and stuff.(Yall know what i mean)
But after comic con he says he wishes he could scream he wanted to make it as much as the fans did.
Then just as i read this interview it does sound as though he's implying that we've begged this long now DONT back out, not matter what.
My thoughts part 2. lol
I really think Darfox8 nailed it. It almost seems like he's following Jaffe's example.
Oh snap i just read my post and thought even deeper.... Namco X Capcom featured Volnutt..this would make sense especially if Keiji was planning a Legends 3 to promote his game in 2005.
Then in 2008 Tatsunoko vs Capcom was well into development and that also featured Volnutt...Well what im getting at here is maybe our clue HAS been right in front of our faces. 2008-2011 production time seems reasonable(MVC3 follows this EXACT same planning)
What if in 2008 Capcom decided to to bring back two of there most requested sequels("Oft requested" lmao jk)
All i am saying is if you look at this logic along with the fact that Capcom surprised everyone with MVC3 and this is big Megaman year for Keiji.
I think its Legends 3 guys (Stayed tuned to part 3) SOOO SORRY MY PS3 Browser IS HORRIBLE and it has limited typing space.
Little other random thoughts. It WOULD make sense to development two games using the Mt framework engine at the same time right? Or maybe even multiple. (I 4got to add in last post, Maybe the inclusion of a Legends stage in mvc3 is a hint of Legends 3 production time) maybe late 2011.
And before someone says Keiji was too involed with LP2 during tht time i really beg too differ. LP2 was REALLY half-assed..does that not say anything to you? Then another random note, It could be a Zx3 on Wii or sumthin unique. Its between tht or Legends 3 because Classic is taken care of with Megaman 9 an 10 an Universe. Next X game WONT be X9(not Oft requested) And tbh guys it ALMOST have to be a Console game, yea i said it. Im ruling the portables off. Capcom DS potential is filled alrdy(RE, SF ,Okami ,Ghost Trick) And i doubt a Psn game and a Ds game will be a big Megaman year for a guy like Keiji. All in all SOOO SORRY for the triple post and ramblings but those are my thoughts feel free to respond to them!!!
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Post by Qwertman on Aug 13, 2010 8:53:33 GMT -5
If Portal, one of the most praised games of all time, was made by six college students, two valve employees, a writer, and a comedian in two years, I don't see why it should be difficult for Capcom to put together some sort of team like that.
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Post by Raijin on Aug 13, 2010 9:07:31 GMT -5
If Portal, one of the most praised games of all time, was made by six college students, two valve employees, a writer, and a comedian in two years, I don't see why it should be difficult for Capcom to put together some sort of team like that. If it were so easy to make a game a popular as Portal, then every game ever would be as popular as Portal. Problem is: success isn't something you can bottle up. The audience is fickle, they may love something that was thrown together at the last minute, or hate something that had millions of dollars and years of investment put into it. A good part of what makes Portal good is innovation, and the only way to replicate the critical results of innovation is to replicate as little as possible. It's a gamble. Sometimes the only way to win is to not play.
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Post by smokeeye123 on Aug 13, 2010 9:49:04 GMT -5
If Portal, one of the most praised games of all time, was made by six college students, two valve employees, a writer, and a comedian in two years, I don't see why it should be difficult for Capcom to put together some sort of team like that. If it were so easy to make a game a popular as Portal, then every game ever would be as popular as Portal. Problem is: success isn't something you can bottle up. The audience is fickle, they may love something that was thrown together at the last minute, or hate something that had millions of dollars and years of investment put into it. A good part of what makes Portal good is innovation, and the only way to replicate the critical results of innovation is to replicate as little as possible. It's a gamble. Sometimes the only way to win is to not play.Was that a War Games reference?
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Post by Dashe on Aug 13, 2010 11:11:09 GMT -5
Ambiguous message board thread titles is a pet peeve of mine. Heh, mine's lousy spelling/grammar. Save the vowels! I know I've been playing the part of the lunatic, who refuses to let go, but I honestly don't see that as a denial that they're actually working on it now. Infact, the Conspiracy Theorist in me sees that(the response he gave) coming from a very real fear of his, as apposed to a random concern he's been throwing around in his mind. What I mean is, if he is making Legends 3 and they're getting ready to unveil it then that fear is definitely circling around in his head as we speak. David Jaffe mentioned that he was pooping bricks in the back of the ice cream truck right before they came out and revealed the new Twisted Metal. He infact, almost said exactly what Inafune said in this interview. "What if people don't want it?" That's why I don't see that quote as a "Show over, let's go home. Maybe next year." kinda thing. I have to repeat that I don't know 100% that they're making this game, but I do almost 100% expect it. I'm fine with being disappointed and I'm sorry if I'm coming off as annoying or something like that... I certainly hope you're right and Inafune's just got his Poker Face on. I don't think that's what's going on right now, but I do know if and when he does unveil it, I will probably either cry like a sentimental moron or involuntarily pee my pants. Maybe both, so you guys can further question my leadership skills. :26:
(Paraphrased timeline by kkdogblahblahetc, additions by Dashe in bold)
2005: Inafune attempts to make DASH3 and gets shot down. IntiCreates submits a proposal for DASH3 and Inafune rejects it. Namco x Capcom released in Japan. Rockman DASH 1&2 both ported to PSP in Japan.
2007: Inafune says DASH3 would cost him 15mil USD
2008: Rockman DASH That-Cell-Phone-Game-We-Can't-Have and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom released in Japan
2009: Inafune says he'll make it when he gets time
1/2010: Tatsonoko vs. Capcom Ultimate All Stars released overseas
4/2010: Inafune gets a huge promotion and Marvel vs. Capcom 3 announced with hi-res models of Kattelox and the entire Bonne family, among other things.
7/2010: The Comic-Con Incident, followed by Inafune's Illustrious Babelfished Blog Post
8/2010: darfox/kkdog interpret ANN interview as a "don't back out" warning
Okay, calm down and take a deep breath. I will have no hyperventilating on the forums. You never know who might wind up having an asthma attack (better keep an emergency kit at the ready in case the real Legends 3 shows up). You've got the right idea, breaking it into a timeline, but you've missed a couple of important releases and you've misinterpreted the rejected IntiCreates proposal for DASH3 in '05 as a proposal made by Inafune himself. If we could get a bona-fide, highly accurate DASH3 news timeline jotted down we'll be able to at least look at where we've been coming from these past ten years, and at most hypothesize how a production schedule could fit into it, so if the whole lot of us could scour the forums looking for news to compile, I would be pleased as peaches . Kkdog, you've gotten us off to a pretty fair start, so triple-post and dubious grammar aside, I thank you for that. Just put it all in one post next time. We have a modify button for that purpose.
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Post by kkdog4sado on Aug 13, 2010 12:50:12 GMT -5
lol was it THAT hard to write kkdog4sado?(You could have even just copied and pasted....little rude but its ok >_<)
But i'm glad i could help in some way, and the 2005 thing i was really unsure of BUT nonetheless there was Legends 3 talk around the 2005/NXC timeframe regardless of if it was made or not. And what i'm saying now is if Dash is being represented in the 2008-2011 years, im sure we should get some type of Dash release......Hey if you think about your post supports my case.
2005 NXC/Dash 1 and 2 on psp. 2008 he appears in TVC and what do we get? Dash on cell phone. Now in 2010-2011 the Dash universe is represented in MVC3. Ya follow me? We're getting sumthin this year, 1 and 2 on Psn, Remake, Dash 3.
Trust me we're getting something.....Or do i sound crazy....-_-
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Post by Dashe on Aug 13, 2010 13:26:30 GMT -5
lol was it THAT hard to write kkdog4sado?(You could have even just copied and pasted....little rude but its ok >_<) In a community this tight, we usually just shorten each other's names when you get a lot of numbers in it. It's a practice I picked up on a Broadway forum, where EVERYONE's number-names were shortened to stuff like "Sparky" and "Zippy" and "Mel"...unless you already had a really short name without numbers. Those usually stayed as they were. Honestly, shorter, numberless names make me feel like I'm talking more to a person than to a username, but eh, whatever floats your boat, and on the contrary copy/pasting a name in seems a bit less personal. You're far more likely to remember a name you type often and the person attached to it than, "Oh, look! It's that guy whose name I copy-paste! Oh wait, I do that for everyone..." But yeah. With a strong feeling of community we've definitely got a better chance of keeping our very-not-dead series in the forefront, where the guys with the big guns can see we care. Yes, it does. I have been running this forum a long time, and looking on the bright side even when another few years of nothing is staring you straight in the face is the best way to keep a fanbase thriving. You sound crazy. And so do the rest of us. It always takes a little bit of madness to actively support a franchise that hasn't seen much local development in ten years.
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