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Post by aarond on Feb 4, 2006 21:33:50 GMT -5
What they oughta do is put in a dating sim with Tron and Roll, as a mini-game, and maybe add one or two more girls in there, too. Then, at certain points throughout the game, you could decide who, if anyone, MegaMan ends up with. As long as they don't include Glyde in there...
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Post by Dashe on Feb 5, 2006 13:14:58 GMT -5
Mega Man and Glyde...that'd be a little...ummm...nevermind. O.O
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Post by WoodleDiaper on Feb 5, 2006 14:42:34 GMT -5
Better graphics, male voice for Rock...good things I'd like to see.
A nice, big world would be fun to have too. Visiting Kattelox would be a cool feature, although not something neccesary to the story line.
What I would really like them to do is end the current story they're on. The megaman games have a tendency to leave things open and never really come to a conclusion for anything (Megaman X...). They should design the game in a way that if there are no more games after it, it wouldn't leave any HUGE questions answered, but give a satisfactory ending to the story.
At the end of Legends 2, if I remember correctly they mentioned that the Elder System would be reactivating, so that would probably be a major story element to the third game. Also, explaining exactly what Rock is would be pretty cool. My own personal theory is that he's a carbon, but that's another topic...
As for love interest...I'd like to see a conclusion to this little triangle once the series ends. I'd love to see a Rock and Roll pairing, but that's just me. I've always enjoyed a good love story.
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Post by Shift on Feb 5, 2006 16:39:37 GMT -5
Assuming Trigger is a Carbon is the only logical answer, especially since he's simply a Purifier unit, so I doubt the Master went through any trouble of making him a human to be unique.. They also say that the Master is the only (was) human left. Hmm.. Then again, the Master may have led them to believe this when the real truth is that Trigger is in fact a human.. Hmm.. I just don't see how it's possible, considering the fact that Trigger reset himself after being badly damaged, and stored his information and memories into Data. Last time I checked, humans can't perform reincarnation on themselves...
So in the end, I think that making him a Carbon would be the obvious answer out, but making him Human would be very original. I'd much rather prefer it if they made him a Human...
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Post by WoodleDiaper on Feb 5, 2006 17:50:54 GMT -5
What bothers me about it is, like you said, he reset himself.
I say I think he's a carbon because Yuna was able to "repair" Matilda's body using her own...so that would make me assume they were both carbons. This leads me to believe that carbons are really advanced human like "machines", where technology has advanced so much that they actually have skin, blood, organs etc. I don't think "machines" would be the right word for it....but I can't think of a better one. Oh, I know, carbon =P
But if Rock is a carbon, theoretically, Barrel would be able to reset himself whenever he wished. Perhaps Rock is a "higher form" of carbon that has this ability...they really need to answer this.
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Post by Aim on Feb 5, 2006 17:59:40 GMT -5
Perhaps he is just the only carbon who actually knows enough about being a carbon to know that he can reset himself? I mean, if he is a carbon, he knows a whole lot more about carbons from his adventure on elysium than most do. I'm not really all that great with this kind of stuff though. The time he reset himself would be the time right before he lost his memory, right?
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Post by Dashe on Feb 5, 2006 22:23:53 GMT -5
I think Rock is...whatever the heck Juno, Yuna, Sera, and the other Units of the System are. Are they carbons? Are they something else entirely, some third being that we just don't know exists? I never thought any of them were carbons. Since the four of them are all part of the same System, they must be the same...um...thingy... *Gaah, frustration!*
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Post by pitch on Feb 5, 2006 22:41:21 GMT -5
Gah! Dashe posted while I was posting... I really gotta quit being slow... >_<
Dashe, I figure Yuna's some sort of Super Carbon, but she's... not a human, but she's human like... Some sort of Carbon. Maybe a humanoid reaverbot? Because she's able to work with humans and such like with Matilda. And anything she is, Sera is probably also, and so on.
A human can reincarnate itself. I believe that's the purpose of reinitilization, no? Err, at least, whatever happened at the end of Legends 2. The genetic samples of the elders activate and stuff like that, and of course the purging of the carbons(I'm not sure where that fits in with Legends 2's ending, but yeah). My memory's a little foggy on this stuff, but that was my take on it anyway. If nothing else I think that with the genetic samples, the System could recreate a human in Carbon form.
Trigger stored his memories inside Data, so that Sera wouldn't scan over them(and most likely eliminate his memory of the last scene with the Master, take the genetic sample from him, and put everything back to normal). Yuna reset him, after he and Sera fought to a standstill on Terra. Sera was simply sealed away in stasis, but the damage to Trigger was too great, so he had to be reset before stasis would be able to help in any way. Flash forward x amount of years, Barrel finds him on Nino, raises him alongside Roll, and so on.
Mind you now, Carbons do not know that they're Carbons. If a Carbon has access to those functions, someone like Barrel can't reset himself, simply because he doesn't know that that much is possible - but perhaps something is tied in with his rank as a unit recognized by the System. Yuna's the one who reset Trigger, and healed Matilda, so it may very well be an exclusive power to the higher up units, which would only make sense, given the nature of the System. Trigger was a Purifier Unit, Sera's trigger-man really, possibly Yuna's before coming to Elysium. I'm not quite sure where to go with that(Juno mentions Trigger being in direct command of Mother - which would be Yuna or Sera, while Data refers to Sera, iirc, as Mother 2, but then the scene in Legends 2 shows Trigger in Elysium with Sera >.< Now I would think a Purifier would be most needed on Terra, and perhaps his Elysian visit was just a one time thing pictured in that scene, but that's another story for another day.) Either way.. Trigger was as Juno says a "proficient unit", outranking Juno himself in the Systematic hierachy. I'm sure he'd have access to his own maintenance functions.
I love a good DASH ramble. I haven't talked about this stuff in so long...
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Post by WoodleDiaper on Feb 5, 2006 23:41:33 GMT -5
When I originally played through the games, I thought of Trigger and Yuna and the other "higher up units" as different from the carbons...but like I said, Yuna being able to repair Matilda's body makes me think they're more alike than different.
Did Yuna reset Trigger? I thought he reset himself...Then again, I haven't played the legends games in over a year so I'm probably off. This may seem like a little detail but it would determine just how much power carbons have over themselves.
As far as the reinitialization program...the way I remember it is, whatever humans were left (may have been just the master) went to Elysium since Terra was uninhabitable(sp?) at this point. The humans were "backed up" in Elysium so to speak, and the carbons were created simply to live on Terra and make it habitable again. Once they were done doing their job, they'd have to get rid of them, so the carbon reinitialization program would do just that, and restore the human back ups.
My memories are probably off....like I said, I haven't played these games in over a year. Also, would the humans that were made by the backups be carbons? I always thought they'd actually be human...
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Post by pitch on Feb 6, 2006 0:15:10 GMT -5
Trigger backed his memories up, Yuna reset him and sealed him away in Nino ruins. I don't think Trigger would've reset himself; Sera would've taken advantage.
I don't think the reason for the System's ever mentioned in DASH, but I always figured that humanity was on the brink of extinction, so the last humans were sent to Elysium. Why they're no more by the time Trigger and the Master have their little chat is anyone's guess, but yeah. I don't know about Terra being uninhabitable, never remember hearing anything remotely suggesting that. It's possible I shpose.
I thought that the Carbon Reinitialization program - as it pertains to the world as a whole, at least, was in case some abberant unit brought harm to the System, to reset and return things to the way they were. Again, I don't remember hearing anything about Terra being uninhabitable, so that's just my rough guess. Juno says that reinitializing Kattleox was for if the population got out of hand; maybe it has something to do with that, but in a more worldly sense.
I think the backups of the original humans could possibly be human... but I don't know exactly how that would work. Who knows? I doubt even Capcom or Inafune himself has thought this out this far anyway.
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Post by Shift on Feb 6, 2006 0:58:38 GMT -5
Hmm.. Carbons just don't sound as if they'd be capable of anything other than just living like an average person. It doesn't seem like they'd be gifted with hidden abilities or anything of the like. And if Trigger, Yuna, Sera, Juno, etc. were all some sort of "advanced" Carbons, then Carbon wouldn't be the term to use for it. Carbons remained on Terra until the purging and Reinitialization was ready to commence, so they seem like nothing more than just "ingredients" so to speak, to create humans. Nothing more.
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Post by WoodleDiaper on Feb 6, 2006 15:59:11 GMT -5
Sigh. I guess I'm gonna have to play through the legends games again....which means I'll have to dig out my PS1 as my brother kidnapped my PS2 for Madden purposes...and get Legends 2 back from my friend...
I'm writing a fan-fic...and there's a lot of questions I decided I'd fill in my own answers for in it...and since I started it like a year ago and didn't touch it during that time I can't remember if some of the stuff I remember was actually in the game or if it's something I filled in...so I'll need to play through the games to see everything again.
I agree with you Shift, I always thought of Carbons as just...."lower beings" compared to the units of the master system, but like I said the fact that Yuna repaired Matilda bothers me. Well, not so much the fact that she repaired her, but that she couldn't use her own body afterwards...which I think would suggest she used "parts" of her own body...which would mean her body parts were compatible with carbons and...yeah. I'll stop repeating myself now =P
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Post by matthew on Feb 6, 2006 16:25:34 GMT -5
Simple as this guys..... "RTK"
RETURN TO KATTELOX
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Post by pitch on Feb 6, 2006 21:19:04 GMT -5
Dude, there is nothing left on Kattleox. What could possibly happen on Kattleox? Honestly I understand, everyone liked the one-island concept better, and everybody just loves Kattleox, but there's NOTHING there for a plot. And you've said that already. >_>
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Post by matthew on Feb 6, 2006 21:44:03 GMT -5
Sorry if i have forgeten i have already posted in some threads...just either delete it or ignore it...lol....still im sorry about that. But anyway...about Kattelox....THEN THAT IS BALLS!!!!! Roll even said when they were leaving...."Maybe will come back and see them again".....All i really meant is to be able to have every aspect and more on KAttelox but the whole game doesn't have to focus there that much....I just thought that place made Legends such a great game, and if Capcom does it right...the can make it even plus 100+ greater
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