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Post by spacecaptanface on Sept 28, 2007 2:35:47 GMT -5
Now here's something that has bugged me for a long time. Near the end of MML2 there are so many hints dropped that Roll is actually in love with Megaman. (ex. yuna saying how she nearly started crying when she heard megaman would be alright. Yuna, again saying how Roll really likes him. And the strongest piece of evidence, Roll's diary entry entitled "secret" in which she states how much she loves Megaman. You'd think it would be case closed after that, but no. It is still unsure whether this was meant as a romantic love or like a sister's love. So I ask you, the fans, what do you think?
By the way, This is totally opinion based. Try using the "I think" phrase.
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Post by Pitch on Sept 28, 2007 6:37:21 GMT -5
As someone who's not a fan of Roll -- not one bit, I couldn't give you an unbiased opinion. But what you're going to see here will basically be this: MegaMan + Roll fans: They'll say “Oh yeah Roll's so in love with MegaMan and he's in love with her! It's in there, you're just not looking hard enough.” MegaMan + Tron fans: They'll say “Oh, none of that really proves anything. Of course she cares about MegaMan. It doesn't have to mean she's in love with him.” And anyone else will just tell you that it can really go either way. And then someone's going to try to show you this picture as some sort of proof in favor of Roll being in love with MegaMan.. (even though there's not even the slightest suggestion in the games from Yuna and Sera (making the picture, in my eyes, questionably valid)) The bottom line, though: We don't know. Expect a Tron or Roll fan to come in here and say different. I think the only way we'd know for sure is if someone presented evidence from the Japanese game that was lost in localization. But I mean.. truth of the matter: Capcom cares less about this than we do. These Legends characters aren't. real. people. They're subject to whatever crazy idea Capcom has next. And Capcom's not exactly big on having ideas that have nothing to do with Zero. So I wouldn't count on a good turn out.. (MegaMan Trigger + Zero *dies*) The only other possibility I MIGHT see is IF( IF, IF, IF, IF, IF) Rockman DASH: Cheap Crappy Cellphone Game ends up being canon; there might be more evidence, for either case in that.
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Post by Staulmaster on Sept 28, 2007 9:05:15 GMT -5
Being a Roll fan, I can't really answer this without giving a biased opinion. That being said, I really sincerely think that Roll loves Megaman. Tron just has a crush on him, but Roll actually feels some kind ofemotion for him (although I'm sure that that's debatable).
I'm not so sure that Megaman loves Roll, though. He seems very appreciative of her, but it seems as though he doesn't react whenever she conveys any kind of emotion ressmebling love. I could be wrong though, it's been a while since I played the games.
Green is right though, we don't know and I can only assume that Capcom has intentionally left their relationship ambiguous. I'm not sure if it's even going to be settled in the later games (if they make more games), I've always seen Megaman's relationship with the two as a sort of Betty/Veronica thing.
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Post by Pitch on Sept 28, 2007 19:10:51 GMT -5
Being a Roll fan, I can't really answer this without giving a biased opinion. That being said, I really sincerely think that Roll loves Megaman. Tron just has a crush on him, but Roll actually feels some kind ofemotion for him (although I'm sure that that's debatable). The issue's not whether or not she loves him, it's whether or not she's in love with him. Cheesy 90's afterschool teenage drama concept aside, there are many different natures to love. And that's the subject of this topic here: In which nature does Roll love MegaMan. Being that I don't want to turn this from "Is Roll in love with MegaMan" to "Is Roll in love with MegaMan more than Tron," I'm kicking the rest of this over to PM.
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Post by spacecaptanface on Oct 14, 2007 19:14:24 GMT -5
I appreciate Green's reminder that this is an opinion-based subject on whether or not Roll "romantically" loves Megaman, (despite the fact that he didn't really give a specific opinion)
Try to give responses like: I think Roll is in love with MegaMan because...(Give proof to verify your assertion) Or: I don't think Roll loves Megaman because...(Offer evidence to backup your point)
You don't have to give evidence if you don't want to. It's just a nice touch is all.
P.S. Green...That picture...was weird.
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Post by Pitch on Oct 14, 2007 19:53:49 GMT -5
I didn't give an opinion because opinions count for nothing. :) It's our opinion that Legends is vastly superior to most if not all other MegaMan games, but that doesn't mean Capcom's making a (real) sequel/prequel/other any time soon. It's a strong opinion, though, to be sure; one many of us here've had for around seven years now. Doesn't change a thing.
I don't think Roll is romantically in love with MegaMan, for what it's worth. Or, rather, I don't think that she should be. Capcom being what it is, they probably would make Roll romantically in love with MegaMan. But I don't like the idea. Personal opinion.
“Well, why not?”
Pretty much because I don't like Roll. Don't particularly like the idea of that sort of relationship either; I think people who grew up together*¹ know a little too much about each other. It's not interesting. I think part of a relationship is getting to know a person and . . . well, they already know each other. So I don't like the idea. But then this becomes a theoretical/philosophical debate about what a good relationship is, and I don't want to start that. You want Evidence, not opinions; you said so yourself! This is why I withhold my opinion
Of course, if Roll is romantically in love with MegaMan, poor Megs better go to her. I'd hate for him to see his demise when a rejected Roll “accidentally” leads him into some trap in the ruins, or just abandons him in some ruin in the middle of the sea somewhere(something like Legends 1's intro ruin). Well, I suppose in any case, should the relationship not work out even if he did agree to it that might be an issue(then Tron could save him and they live happily ever after).
Through some great accident, any evidence to back up the idea that Roll is in love with MegaMan in the English version of the game is ambiguous. I'd once again offer the suggestion that the only real answers would come from the Japanese game's lines which might be a bit more direct.
¹ - I'm not even gonna play the “They're brother and sister!” card
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Post by Frankenpetey on Oct 15, 2007 16:46:47 GMT -5
Green, if you don't want to play the brother/sister card, I certainly will. *ahem* If you were to find out tomorrow that you and your sibling weren't actually related, would your first thought be "Sweet, now I can put the moves on him/her." No. No, it would not. And if it were the first thought going through your sibling's head, I can sum up your reaction in two words: projectile vomiting. I have a pair of cousins who are both adopted and of similar ages, and the thought of them dating each other would make the entire family recoil in horror. And yeah, even without the jibbly factor, they just know each other too well. It's sort of....dull. They're not real people, though. They're rather loosely defined characters in a video game, so they don't care who we think they kick it with. Whatever floats your boat.
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Post by Trege on Oct 15, 2007 17:35:19 GMT -5
I read Megaman's Discovery in MML2 and it doesin't say anywhere they where raised as brother and sister just raised together so its very unlikely that they think of each other as brother and sister. And i don't think Barrel ever legally adopted Megaman. And considering the Capcom manuals are unreliable i don't often read them. Also the Scene in Megaman Legends 1 where Megaman says "And we will find your parents too." refers that they do not think of each other as Brother and Sister. and Megaman thinking roll was cute when driving the flutter also refers to that they don't think of each other as brother and sister.
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Post by Pitch on Oct 15, 2007 18:50:44 GMT -5
Oh please, Trege, it's much easier than that. MegaMan's full name is MegaMan Volnutt. [Rock Volnutt(Volnatto) in Japanese.] Roll's full name is Roll Casket. Hmm.. I wonder why they did that? Now, keep in mind I'm not in favor of the "they're brother and sister" argument: I just want to point out small flaw in your logic here.They do both call Barrel “Gramps,” though. ^_^ So.. if Banner and Matilda aren't ”Mom 'n' Dad” to the both of 'em, but at the same time Barrel's still “Gramps”... wouldn't Megs and Roll at least be cousins? I'm just kidding. I don't think they're related. In fact you can pretty much ignore the previous paragraph. petey: The brother/sister card has been played before. A million times. I've seen it shot down in many different ways; there's good reasoning behind my not playing it. ^_~
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Post by Trege on Oct 15, 2007 20:12:15 GMT -5
I agree. In my own opinion i would hate the series if they where related as brother and sister its fine the way it is. It was interesting reading Roll's diary in the Secret entry.
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Post by Pitch on Oct 15, 2007 20:49:13 GMT -5
“It was interesting reading Roll's diary in the Secret entry.”SECRET!: I realize now that everything I've done up until now is because I had MegaMan by my side...I've only realized now how much I love him. I'm so happy I have him in my life! |
Doesn't seem that interesting to me.. “In my own opinion i would hate the series if they where related as brother and sister its fine the way it is.”By-the-by, what do you think of the original series? I think MegaMan and Roll being brother and sister is about as Classic as it gets. ;D
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Post by Trege on Oct 15, 2007 21:58:42 GMT -5
No i just mean the legends series. all of the other series are fine.
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Post by DeltaTrigger7 on Oct 19, 2007 15:54:19 GMT -5
Well, Capcom has that strange repeating tradition scheme... you know, select a boss at any time, the final boss almost always having two forms, MEGAMAN AND ROLL'S RELATION (cough cough).
You get the picture. Look at the NT-Warrior/BattleNetwork series. It's obvious that they love each other. I say it repeats in all the series.
Sure seems like it, at least... ;D
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Post by Pitch on Oct 19, 2007 18:10:07 GMT -5
You get the picture. Look at the NT-Warrior/BattleNetwork series. It's obvious that they love each other. I say it repeats in all the series. Sure seems like it, at least... ;D Ermm.. well... What about classic? Once again, they're brother and sister in that one. Being that there are only three series with the Megs and Roll combo, one in which they're brother and sister and one in which they're a(most UNinteresting) couple, you can't base an assumption about DASH/Legends on any supposed pattern. And, no offense, but that's just a generally weak argument. Plus I thought we liked Legends so much because it was different? (see, and that's an equally weak argument. )
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Post by DeltaTrigger7 on Oct 22, 2007 20:54:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I know what you mean...
Still, Capcom repeats the Rock-Roll relationship not just through Roll, but also through Roll substitutes... Alia, Harp Note/Lyra Note/Ciel (yeah, that one's stretching it - - Zero series, so Zero and Ciel.
Still, the latter one isn't really a believed relationship---Zero and Ciel are just partners and, well, friends. And Alia SEEMS to have a crush on X... check out X6.
Aw, what am I doing? ...Yeah, my Rock-Roll relationship thing is flipping the charts. I'm getting desperate on this conversation! ;( But what I really mean is that in MOST of the MegaMan games, there is either an obvious relationship or at least a bond that is open for discussion. It's up to the fans to dream about what the characters really feel in their hearts.
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