5-Island Maps & Item Data

[Dashe]

I'm starting to put together a compilation of maps of 5-island stages, so anyone who's interested in making tech demos or copies of Legends levels can make versions that are actually playable. Since Suzukaze did more of a bare-bones run through the games than anything, some content was probably passed up entirely, but I'd like to have as much of the layouts archived as possible. There's a pretty good chance nobody here would ever get to play it unless someone were to go to the trouble of recreating the maps on their own.

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"Sealos 1-1, the ?? thing is indeed a raised ledge you can jump up onto, there's also a door up there that goes into a room to the right that, I think contains 2 enemies and a chest
I'd need to find the footage again that showed that room" - Chiz, Discord, 30/8/18

Update 31/8/18: This is the video he was referencing; there were four red Zakobon and a chest containing a buster part. Image updated to reflect new layout.

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[Space Apollo]

I already shared this on Discord, but just for future reference:

www.rockmanpm.com/?p=keitai/rockmandash5tsunoshimanodaibouken/items

A complete item translation list. It does't show what they are in Japanese, but it is something to work off of.

[kion]

Okay, to avoid double-posting outside of a research thread I'll go ahead and do the thing where I post, and then delete my previous post, so that it still gets the alert of a new post, without being a double post.

So I'm pretty surprised that this actually worked, but I was able to import the Megaman model into the collision hull for testing, so here's a preview video:


And here's the link for anyone who wants to try it out: mml.dashgl.com/islands/

As for the Collision hulls, I'll upload and share them. That way anyone who wants to play around can throw it into their favorite programming environment and get started on scripting things out like, "this switch opens this door". And anyone with modeling experience can use the dimensions of the hulls to make stages that look like they actually belong in a game. And for enemies, Xinus has been nice enough to upload a lot of models, so those can be used as placeholders.

Sealos Island

Stage 01	Link	Download
Stage 02	Link	Download
Stage 03	Link	Download
Stage 04	Link	Download

Attachments:

stage_01_01.dae (15.91 KB)

stage_01_02.dae (24.37 KB)

stage_01_03.dae (8.97 KB)

[Dashe]

Awesome! Thanks for consolidating your posts! What kind of skill set is needed to evaluate room, door, and level scaling? Trege and I have gone over that in the past; assuming Mega Man has a square bounding box around him, the secret ledge would need to be 1x2 Mega Man sized bounding boxes, where the door is on the 2-unit end, since a wider door is two hypothetical Mega Man bounding box units. A switch is one Mega Man Unit wide, a skinny door is also 1 Mega Man Unit wide, and a normal door is 2 Mega Man Units wide. Overall, I'm guessing it would be less work to make the secret ledge higher and Mega Man larger, but I don't know much about throwing this stuff into engines or coding, I just have looked at the 5-Island gameplay videos way too often for my own good.

Generally, your first floor dimensions look accurate. I'd recommend paying closer attention to the video footage than my maps, to be honest. The maps are more like a rough guide to layouts. The videos are always going to be more precise, especially regarding the ledge stuff.

[kion]

Sept 14, 2018 16:15:37 GMT -5 Dashe said:

What kind of skill set is needed to evaluate room, door, and level scaling?

Mostly patience. Right now I'm using grid paper to write down coordinates, entering the coordinates into the page, set the material for each face and then test with my approximated cylinder-tank controls and then repeat. I'm going to finish Sealos island stage 2 this way, and then I think I can change it so that you enter a min-x, min-z, max-x, max-z and a material number for each room, and a button to remake the map for faster testing.

Sept 14, 2018 16:15:37 GMT -5 Dashe said:

Trege and I have gone over that in the past; assuming Mega Man has a square bounding box around him, the secret ledge would need to be 1x2 Mega Man sized bounding boxes, where the door is on the 2-unit end, since a wider door is two hypothetical Mega Man bounding box units.

For the player placeholder I approximated about 4 units in height and then about 0.5 units in diameter. I'm being really generous with the floor and doorway real estate as that can always be trimmed down later with walls. For the high jump, originally I had the height at 8 or 2x the size of my megaman placeholder. The demo with Miku that I copied from couldn't jump that high (though it probably could if I adjusted something) and after testing ended up lowering it.

So it mostly seems to be a matter of testing and adjusting attributes until you find something that works. Thought in the case of that raised area in Sealos Island stage 01, I'm kind of confused at what the idea is behind the design. Is it meant to be something where the game shows you an area you can't reach so you know to comeback with the jump springs? Or do you start out with the jump springs and it's meant to be something hidden off to the side?



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Finished Stage 02 of Sealos Island. The .dae file has been added to my first post, and the live version is here: mml.dashgl.com/islands-tank/ I'm definitely going to have to start thinking about making a simple editor to make making these easier.

Attachments:

stage_01_04.dae (6.47 KB)

[Dashe]

Sept 15, 2018 2:51:53 GMT -5 kion said:

In the case of that raised area in Sealos Island stage 01, I'm kind of confused at what the idea is behind the design. Is it meant to be something where the game shows you an area you can't reach so you know to comeback with the jump springs? Or do you start out with the jump springs and it's meant to be something hidden off to the side?

You start the game with jump springs, able to reach it. It's meant to be inaccessible until you get the Hyper Shell, which allows you to blast through crumbled walls, which I've marked on the maps as purple doors. Weirdly, I think they call the Hyper Shell something different in this game; that Rockman PM post doesn't seem to list it as one of the weapons. Maybe Roll just makes it for you automatically at Paulan 3.

I think the only reason you get the jump springs at the start is because this particular game doesn't permit Mega Man to grab the edges of walls and pull himself up the way the normal games did. A lot of the platforming bits later on seem unnecessary because you can just use the jump springs to get on the ledges you're supposed to be making these precision jumps across. It might be a good idea to skew the elevation on some of those to actually make the challenge the devs might have wanted.

[kion]

I should probably figure out how to use a 3d editor some day. Until that day I guess I'll keep having to use a text editor, to make sure I don't loose it, here's the floor layout of stage 5 broken down into triangle faces.

[Dashe]

Got started on Urakoi. Urakoi Stage 1 is genuinely a depth perception nightmare. The artists used a bunch of artistically positioned lavafalls and it will screw with you. Anyone wanting to try and create this in 3D will need to rely very heavily on video reference to get the angles right.

[tunamac]

Wow this looks very impressive! Is this still in production?!

[Dashe]

Jul 24, 2021 22:05:42 GMT -5 tunamac said:

Wow this looks very impressive! Is this still in production?!

By "production," if you mean I'm still in the process of tediously watching the one existing video set of 5-island footage to draw as accurate a map set as possible, then yes.