About Legends' Attack values.

[Chiz]

May 8, 2014 14:45:26 GMT -5 demonfang178 said:

I see, but that can't be per shot. So what is it based on?

It's definitely a per-shot damage calculation. Look at your own data:

"Bon Bonne: HP: 2496 Buster: Level 3: 52 shots to kill"
D(3) = 48 dmg per shot; 2496 HP divided by 48 dmg per shot is 52 shots to kill.

"Cannam: HP: 1280 Buster: Level 6: 17 shots to kill"
D(6) = 72 dmg per shot; 1280 HP divided by 72 dmg per shot is 17.78 (or 18) shots to kill.*

* - this minor deviation by the data from the formula is normal and represents typical human error in data collection. This occurs in nearly all scientific experiments and is not fatal blow to the data set, but is a good argument for redundancy in collection by performing the same action multiple times and recording the results from each. [/science]

[demonfang178]

Late, I know.

Anyway, I tested the equation on everything up Juno (which I'll get to later). It checks out and in cases where it isn't a whole number, you round up. Every time.

This honestly looks easy in comparison to the Splash Mine's damage, which I swear goes out of its way to make as little sense as possible. One enemy the damage is around 160 and on another its 240. And I already know about 96 HP subs that the Splash Mine cannot one-shot, but that may be because the whole explosion doesn't connect.

After Tron, I got annoyed that nothing was making sense so tested the damage with the buster on the tanks. That didn't help much either. >_>

Yellow Blumebear: HP: 1856
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 11

Red Blumebear: HP: 896
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 5

Blue Blumebear: HP: 768
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 5

Feldynaught: HP: 4096 (no weakness)
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 19

Feldynaught: HP: 4096 (weakness)
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 19

Yellow Maiberu Haagen HP: 768
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 5

Red Maiberu Haagen HP: 384
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 2

Leopordo HP: 448
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 2
One Splash Mine and 9 level 0 shots
One Splash Mine and 7 level 1 shots
One Splash Mine and 6 level 2 shots
One Splash Mine and 4 level 3 shots
Level 2: 2
One Splash Mine and 3 level 0 shots

Gun Battery HP: 160
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 1

Marlwolf HP: 1536
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 7

Threads:
Splash Mine:
Level 1: 7

[demonfang178]

Disregard the last update.  I think I've figured out a ballpark figure of the splash mine's damage.  Using the Karumuna Bash in the main gate as a subject, I used one splash mine and then nothing but level 0 buster shots.  I had to pace it slowly because if you too much damage too quickly, it enters a knockdown state that deals extra damage.  It took one splash mine (at base level) and 63 level 0 buster shots equating to 216 damage for a single mine.  Because I used level 0 shots that means the number couldn't possibly be off by more than 24, so a mine must be somewhere between 216 and 240 damage...That actually sounds extremely obvious when I say it out loud.

I also believe that the later explosions deal more damage, which would explain why my numbers were WAY off earlier and it makes sense from a gameplay perspective.

Using Chiz's formula, a level 1 splash mine has a buster level between 24 and 27, which goes right with the data I already have...on enemies that stand still.

I'll keep that mess that was the last update up as reminder not to make sloppy updates like that again.

[Chiz]

In the interest of expediency, I've sat down, isolated the HP variable for a Leopordo, jacked it up to 10000HP, renamed it 'Leopordzilla', hid behind it so it didn't move, and watched what damage each special weapon at each power level did.

Here are the results. All values in raw damage per single shot. Deviation from actual values may occur due to range (which plays a big part in explosion-based weapons, like the splash mine), meaning no guarantee can REALLY be made about these weapons.

In places where there is Value (+ Value), it means that there is extra damage to be dealt when physically next to/touching the target.

Weapon	Atk Lvl 0	Atk Lvl 1	Atk Lvl 2	Atk Lvl 3
02 - Machine Buster	16	32	48
03 - Powered Buster (Explosion)	208	322	424
04 - Drill Arm (Close Range Only)	16	24	32
05 - Grenade Arm (Explosion)	224	336
06 - Spread Buster (Explosion)(Spec:00)	486 (+64)	732 (+128)	1104 (+192)
06 - Spread Buster (Explosion)(Spec:01)	810 (+128)	1220 (+256)	1840 (+384)
06 - Spread Buster (Explosion)(Spec:02)	1134 (+192)	1708 (+384)	2576 (+576)
08 - Active Buster	144	236	320	448
09 - Blade Arm	512	1024	1248
10 - Grand Grenade (Explosion)	706 (+40)	1500 (+132)
11 - Splash Mines (Explosion)	244	384
12 - Shield Arm (Close Range Only)	2*
13 - Shining Laser	12	32	64	128

* - Yes, the shield does damage. It does 2HP per 'hit', but you will be pushed away from a stationary target after 8 hits, making the maximum damage I could do without moving 16HP.

NOTE: These values are not guaranteed! Without actually finding the proper damage-dealing functions in the game, there's no way to know for sure if these are accurate or not. They are, however, good enough for most players and purposes.

EDIT: The Spread Buster at Atk 2 and Spc 2 is super OP, dealing as much as 3,152HP per fire!

[demonfang178]

You calculated the Shining Laser?! How? I knew that would be my biggest road block or just something I couldn't do.

And good work on all of it. I don't know what to say. Thank you.