Megaman Breathes...

[Traingham]

So, this topic has probably been brought up hundreds of times before it actually caught my attention, but Megaman Volnutt clearly breathes as though he possesses a set of lungs. The game designers set his idle animation as taking in very deep breaths (I mean, watch those shoulders rise and fall) and exhaling, so I would assume that the guy has a fully functioning respiratory system.

Still, he seems to have the ability to breathe underwater just as well, and hanging about underground at severe temperatures don't appear to hamper him in any way either (BUT TRON, you say!). You could just blame it on game design; say it was an oversight, but this topic goes back further than that.

Megaman is technically a reploid, right?
X and Zero were reploids too, and from what I recall in their respective series (I'm talking about Megaman Zero as well) they did a lot of breathing as well. When their health got depleted to a certain point you could even say that their breathing became labored--you know-- to the point of holding their chests while gasping for oxygen.

So, I guess what I'm trying to ask here is, "What sets Megaman apart from your everyday carbon in the legends universe?"

Do you think that Sera and Yuna (Being created on Elysium just as Trigger was) share the same internal blueprint that he does, or are mother units different from reploids in that respect?

I don't know why it bothers me so much now, but it does.

[Dashe]

Originally I'd imagined he'd be hardier than the average carbon, but the Bonnes almost seem to outdo Mega Man in terms of sheer endurance the way they get blown up left and right with very little impact on their health. On top of that, in the Legends 3 builds you could run over townspeople with a motorhorse without much in terms of consequences.

I think what happened was, when he was reset after the fight with Sera, they gave him a Carbon body. So really there isn't much of a difference.

What bugs me is that the Master stored his DNA in Trigger's body, but Trigger's body was destroyed in the duel with Sera. Does Data have the DNA, then, since he's the backup for Trigger's memory?

[Traingham]

Trigger was discovered by Barrel as a baby in the Nino ruins, right? Are we to assume that Yuna was responsible for him being left in that state, or did Trigger somehow regress himself to an infant and somehow became a carbon in the process?

Then is he really a reploid, or something far more advanced?
I think Command Mission and Megaman Zero introduced us to the possibility of child like reploids. Allouette for example?

[Buster Cannon]

Quote taken from Legends 2 (thanks Estil!)

(Tell me about the past 2): You're probably wondering why, when you were found, you were in a baby's body. That's because your original body was
almost totally destroyed in your fight with Sera. We had no choice but to reset all your parameters so you could heal. Although resetting a unit
flushes its memory, it also restores its body to its original configuration. To make sure Sera never found the Master's genetic code, you transferred
all essential data files to me. That's why you were able to get your memory back even after being reset. Well, most of your memory, anyway. Too bad
you couldn't see Gramps' face when he found you, though!

The way I see it, he isn't a carbon, but more of an advanced unit with more human-like functions than a typical reploid.  He has a living, breathing body, but at the same time it's so advanced that it has the option to perform a "hard reset", which flushes the memory and leaves the user in the state that they were 'born' in.  

As for the breathing underwater and high temperatures bit, I think the digging equipment covered for that anyway.  He needed the Rebreather from the Guildmaster to actually survive in Nino Ruins, and I'm sure that his armor compensated for the high temp of Saul Kada to some degree.  The Bonnes surviving stuff like that is just gag humor in action, trying to logically explain it wouldn't really get anywhere. 

[Rockman Striker]

I assume Trigger and the mother units are the same kind of androids; Yuna tells Megaman that she has a positronic brain, it wouldn't be so weird if she and Sera had their own set of mechanical organs: heart, lungs or even a digestive system, (Servbots have the ability to eat, probably, Tron borrowed that mechanism from certain reaverbots, such as Galgalfummi, there's the possibility that all reaverbots can eat and breath too, even though I believe androids and reaverbots are far too different).

So Megaman might look as a carbon from the outside, but his internal system might be almost mechanical.

[Avegodro]

Mega Man would be more durable than most since he is a Purifier First Class, he may have been almost destroyed and reset but in the end he is a combat model.

As for what everyone is, I'd say that they all are Carbons. Reploids were phased out in ZX when they were merged with humans to all become on equal race the Humanoids. You would still have the normal problems for both species, the merger wasn't perfect. Then eventually we ended up with Carbons, which are a better mesh of organic and mechanical. 

Here let me explain it a bit better:

If Reploid gets damaged he has to go to the repair bay to fixed up. Human gets hurt they go to the hospital to heal. Humanoids would still have this problem depending on which species they were before the merger. Sure Humans got mechanical parts and all but they still have organics in em'.

Carbons are a better merger to when upgrades and enhancements can be placed on their body no problem and they can heal themselves to boot. 

It would make more sense to have them all be Carbons or a from of Carbon than anything else. I'd say Mother Units are very advanced Carbons since they do run the show on Terra and Elysium.

[Traingham]

Its times like now that I wish there was a sensibly priced ZX copy out there.

[Dashe]

Were there any 100% Humans alive during ZX?  Did it even come up? When Mega Man was living on Elysium we had The Master still hanging around for a while.

[Rockman Striker]

If we have to assume what the Elders were, I say they were completely humans, just as the Master, sure there were robots or androids on Elysium too, but it seems the humans had total control, no more "equal rights for reploids and humanoids" there.

Let's remember, the carbons were somehow created by the Master, so we can assume they have no relation to any species from previous games.

[Traingham]

So, could it be theorized (if it hasn't already been outright confirmed) that the carbons are advanced reploids created by the Master for the sole purpose of planetary engineering, for the ancients to settle on Terra?

I assume Carbon Reinitialization was a process designed to curb their numbers so that the ancients wouldn't have to deal with territorial issues.

[Avegodro]

Feb 26, 2014 12:05:33 GMT -5 Dashe said:

Were there any 100% Humans alive during ZX?  Did it even come up?

You had to be a certain age before you got the mechanical enhancements. So there were 100% humans still around, but once they hit a certain age they were required by law to get humanized under Legion's Equality Laws.

Feb 26, 2014 13:12:17 GMT -5 Rockman Striker said:

If we have to assume what the Elders were, I say they were completely humans, just as the Master, sure there were robots or androids on Elysium too, but it seems the humans had total control, no more "equal rights for reploids and humanoids" there.

Let's remember, the carbons were somehow created by the Master, so we can assume they have no relation to any species from previous games.

I'd have to disagree, since Reploids and humans both were replaced with humanoids. The Elders and the Master are most likely humanoids, it would explain why he went all Cyber Elf when he died and his longevity. Elysium was meant to safeguard humanity, with everyone already equal having a rights issues wouldn't' make much sense. The Carbons may be artificially created but so were Reploids, Mechanoilds and robot Masters. They are a progressive evolution towards this final point in the game series story. This is what Dr. Light wanted all those millennia ago.

Feb 26, 2014 21:59:16 GMT -5 Traingham said:

So, could it be theorized (if it hasn't already been outright confirmed) that the carbons are advanced reploids created by the Master for the sole purpose of planetary engineering, for the ancients to settle on Terra?

I assume Carbon Reinitialization was a process designed to curb their numbers so that the ancients wouldn't have to deal with territorial issues.

Carbons are a mesh between organic and artificial, they wouldn't be advanced Reploids, they would be advanced Humanoids. I could see the planetary engineering angle for them.

[Traingham]

It could be that the Elder System is a production of the Carbons themselves (The original carbons that were in charge of planetary engineering before the next generation of carbons came about and did their own thing).

I'm assuming that because the Master was unable to handle the living conditions on Terra, it would have been the same for the rest of those living on the colony (with the exception of Trigger and the other androids). So how do we explain those ruins that Megaman explores on the planet--ruins that have direct connections to Elysium--when none of the ancients could have been the architects behind their construction?

Would it be sensible to assume that the original carbons knew about Elysium, and kept in contact with those on the colony, or could we go with the possibility that androids were sent below to do the job themselves?

(Or, I suppose humanoids would be the proper term at this point...)

[Dashe]

Well, if the four main ruins in Legends 2 were created specifically to protect the keys to the library, then the Elysian generation is likely responsible for at least some of the others. Those particular ruins look very...deliberate. And if you look at the Hangekal, which appear to exist ONLY to open a locked door in Calinca's ruins, it's starting to look like the ancients had some hand in creating the Reaverbots themselves.

So you can't completely rule out that the ancients weren't behind their construction. They very well could have created the ruins because the surface world was, for whatever reason, hostile. I'm going to guess that the ruins had to have happened after the planet was flooded. If it hadn't, there would probably be thousands of ruins with gates that are completely submerged, at the bottom of the ocean, possibly rusted shut. No word on how well submersible technology on Terra's developed, though. There could very well be a gold mine in store for sub-aquatic diggers.

Of course, we have no idea when the flooding occurred. I always assumed that the original humans lost all immunity to disease and what have you after living on Elysium, which is completely disease-free, for thousands of years. If they stayed isolated up there long enough to lose their immunity to germs, then of course if you sent one back from whence it came, it'd die right away from otherwise harmless airborne pathogens.

The Kattelox Sub-Cities raise a few interesting questions. IIRC, they were supposed to function as living quarters for Prototype Anthro Units, but they wound up overrun with Reaverbots too. It doesn't even look inhabitable anymore. I'm pretty sure there's a thread about the Prototype Anthro Units sitting around somewhere.     I know we've all had this discussion before!

[Lumigado]

BEFORE I KILL YOU: X AND ZERO ARE *NOT* REPLOIDS. Okay, I don't have to kill you now. "Reploids", or replication androids, were created by Dr. Cain to be like X and his "limitless potential", to quote Dr. Light.

Edit: All the Reploids were killed in a mass genocide. Before you say in your TF2 Heavy voice "WHERE'S PPRRROOOFF?!?!?", there is. Where are all the Reploids in Battle Network? Something happened after ZX that made the humans kill ALL the Reploids.

[ZEROrevive]

"Reploid" is just a loose term when used with X and Zero. Zero even call's Roll a reploid in one of the fighting games (name slips me) despite her not being one per say. Overall the terms just used for a robot that carries human-like qualities.

And not sure what you're hitting at there...especially with battle network- That was a split timeline, a "what if", where robots weren't focused on technology and the internet and so forth were instead. So of course no reploids exist there...As for ZX, we don't know what happened. but Reploids were becoming more and more human due to th "lets mix reploids and humans together" laws with humans having reploid parts and vise versa. Humans didn't kill the reploids, they just merged over time (pun, hah).

Now in topic- from a reploid point of view...the breathing to me was always a cooling system of some kind. Im not really sure if this would fit with carbons though...given their more complex ( ? ) structure.