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Post by Dashe on Aug 19, 2013 14:54:14 GMT -5
Male objectification in a thread where the character in question isn't even involved definitely doesn't help the situation, but the warning wasn't for that and I understand you mean well.
Loken brings up a good point. How much of Roll's weapons' effectiveness is coming from the way Mega Man uses the weapons? If Tron made Mega Man a weapon, how well would it hold up? I'd say the fairest way to determine who's the better mechanic would be to have both of them design something to accomplish a given task under identical circumstances.
Perhaps the best way to compare the two would be to look at how both parties' weapons fare against Glyde's mechs. I'm pretty sure Mega Man and Tron both had to fight his birdlike drache substitutes at one point or another. Who had the easier time taking down one of those guys? Who has an easier time facing off against large Sharukurusu and Nakel, Mega Man using Roll's tech, or Tron? Should Tron get any points for going into combat herself?
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Post by Loken on Aug 19, 2013 15:25:12 GMT -5
Tron certainly gets credit for operating the equipment as well. A flawless weapon is nothing if you can't use it. I'm not sure if we can really reasonably compare Tron and Roll using combat data because there are too many variables. And remember that Rock can defeat any enemy with the normal buster.
Another variable I just thought of is that many Bonne mech are designed for attacking islands and not straight up combat.
The one thing that I think is safe to say is that Tron makes alot more complicated inventions. You mentioned the Servbots earlier and nothing is close to as advanced as them (besides Master stuff.). Tron may win just because of them.
I love the idea of Tron and Roll facing off in a series of invent-offs! That would be great.
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Post by satoh on Aug 19, 2013 17:15:31 GMT -5
Are you sure we should use 5-Island as a reference material? As long as it doesn't clash with the main media (in this case, the games), I would like to think that these small side stories and extended material that makes a series so much more interesting. As for the better inventor, I would consider Roll being the more innovative one. On the other hand, how much both of them actually invent as opposed to reading from an instruction manual is up to debate. The better mechanic/programmer/designer/developer/manager/etc, however, deserves further expansion. Edit: As for cuteness as a side argument, let's remember that her default appearance and creepy hairstyle isn't even her final form. I'm all for discussion of 5-Island Adventure material. In fact since I've never been able to play it, I may have to make a discussion about it, in hopes I can get a bit more impressions than what little I've found on the net. So yes, I deem this appropriate. As fro Tron's picture there... that's her costume when she invents. It was in MoTB. I based my Tron model off of the in game art for it in fact. I'lll just leave this here.  As for Roll's tech being cuter... considering the word 'cute' comes from the word 'acute' meaning small, that is a valid point. And on Loken's last point, I'd love to see something like an 'Iron Chef' of inventing. Complete with narrator and panel of judges. |
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Post by HF on Aug 19, 2013 17:35:15 GMT -5
As for Tron's picture there... that's her costume when she invents. It was in MoTB. I based my Tron model off of the in game art for it in fact. I'm aware; that's why I found it relevant if we're seriously going to discuss the cuteness factor, let alone that it's subjective. Also, fanart and doujins makes everything work, adding to the ambiguity of actually discussing this. I like it. Whoever wins, Rock wins. Edit: Just like a certain Doujin... |
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Post by Loken on Aug 19, 2013 19:47:34 GMT -5
HF, The Rock always wins. Thinking about it now the Bonne mechs (besides Marlwolf) have a lot of weak spots. Maybe Roll does have more quality. Or maybe the Bonnes were just being cost effective and made very power machines with weak defense. They didn't expect anyone to actually fight back! (That's not fair!)
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Post by Buster Cannon on Aug 19, 2013 19:54:19 GMT -5
Loken brings up a good point. How much of Roll's weapons' effectiveness is coming from the way Mega Man uses the weapons? If Tron made Mega Man a weapon, how well would it hold up? I'd say the fairest way to determine who's the better mechanic would be to have both of them design something to accomplish a given task under identical circumstances. I think it'd be interesting to have them trade places. Have Megaman function in a scenario where he's working with Tron who spots for him and builds weapons. Meanwhile Roll pillages cities using mechs that she builds. That way you'd get to see how they develop in a different environment. With that said I'm starting to feel like Roll and Tron just have different specializations that make them hard to compare with one another. Roll grew up with both Barrell and Megaman, and as such has acquired a wealth of knowledge in the area of digging and spotting. Her skill set is more skewed towards armor and weapons, with some mechanic experience on the side. Meanwhile, while Tron can dig, she doesn't rely on it like the Caskett's do, and I don't see her with nearly as much knowledge in that area. On the other hand she can practically build mecha in her sleep that can function in all sorts of environments. |
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Post by Kyle on Aug 20, 2013 5:09:35 GMT -5
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