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Post by hawkeyes on Nov 21, 2012 22:47:48 GMT -5
I make it a habit of playing legends 1 with only the necessary upgrades (high jump only, basically) from time to time, but today I noticed something. First, Wily has a boat shop (yes, I JUST now noticed it, even though its part of the story) secondly, they all mention and call the system as eden. I noticed something odd in the initial meeting between Juno but I cannot recall (will go back again soon) but what struck me the most was one of Data's lines explaining what he is, went something like this:
"You created me to house your memories so you couldn't be scanned by mother 2/too"
Is he referencing a different system? Maybe a section of the system that turned aberrant/maverik? Or is he stating "As well"? Or more disturbingly, what does Ness want with Trigger? Hmm....
Ahh, I remember the Juno thing (editing out past statements does not exist in my world!), he mentions "10,000 workers" in eden. Reploids? Carbons? Reavers? Humans?
I think this has been discovered/discussed before, its not off hand remarks and the whole thing was a bureaucratic process with sections and forms. Is this possibly the origin of this "paperwork" I keep hearing about? Haha!
Ooonnnn to legends 2!
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Post by Mikéy on Nov 22, 2012 4:21:42 GMT -5
I'll assume this means you haven't played through Legends 2 [also considering you didn't mention any other names regarding "Mother".], so I'll try to avoid going too deep into Legends 2 spoilers, eh. I noticed something odd in the initial meeting between Juno but I cannot recall A basic summary between the first initial encounter with Juno essentially goes like this: Trigger wakes Juno up, and Juno thinks that Trigger meant to do it at first. After a few exchange of words, Juno realizes that Trigger lost his memory, and, after noticing that Kattelox was a bit "overpopulated," decided at that point that Trigger having woken him was fortuitous, or a lucky coincidence. I think what you thought was strange was the way Juno seemed to be testing Trigger, seeing if he was on his side or not, which was essentially happening right from the point that Juno looked at the radar map. When Juno decided Trigger's memory loss was more detrimental to his task than beneficial, he sprung the trap, hoping to find a backup of Trigger's memory on EDEN later on, also hoping that if Trigger were to get his memory back, in turn wouldn't cause any problems to his task or the system itself. Obviously, we never got to see if there was a backup on EDEN or not. "You created me to house your memories so you couldn't be scanned by mother 2/too" Is he referencing a different system? Maybe a section of the system that turned aberrant/maverik? Or is he stating "As well"? I think Legends 2 does an okay job of explaining this if you put 1 and 1 together by the end. Legends 2 revolves a bit more around the System aspect than Legends 1 did, and more becomes clear. Or more disturbingly, what does Ness want with Trigger? Hmm... I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. Did you mishear something? I know it's sometimes hard to hear Juno over the background music and electrical shocks. Scripts are also handy so you don't have to go back into the game to check a portion of a cutscene by ear. Ahh, I remember the Juno thing (editing out past statements does not exist in my world!), he mentions "10,000 workers" in eden. Reploids? Carbons? Reavers? Humans? I'm personally betting it was Reavers. I'm not claiming to be a know-it-all regarding the X and Zero series, but Reploids have never gotten mentioned in any aspect of the Legends series, so it's not really our place to assume they exist in the Legends world. Carbons eliminating carbons sounds too barbaric and unrealistic, and it sure can't be humans 'cause... well. Legends 2 explains that too.  the whole thing was a bureaucratic process with sections and forms. Is this possibly the origin of this "paperwork" I keep hearing about? Haha! Unfortunately, even though I might look it, I'm not the one that should be answering, or the one being asked that question. If you want more specific details, aim it at Chiz or Dashe. It's a bit of a poke in the direction of "off-topic", but at the same time, it might not be. You might just be onto something.  Hope that was enough. Oh and hey, if it's your first time playing Legends 2 [which I assume it is], I hope you enjoy it! A couple of your own questions will be answered along the way, so keep an eye and ear out!  |
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Post by hawkeyes on Nov 22, 2012 10:06:18 GMT -5
I actually have played both legends 1 and 2, I replay them every so often because I enjoy seeing the shortcuts they used in mml1 for some of their effects, and then seeing the polish they put into the game in the second time around. Makes me proud to be a programmer! And I saw this post was moved, my bad. Es mi dia primero. So then, lets rephrase some of my writing and jokes: Or more disturbingly, what does Ness want with Trigger? Hmm.... First and foremost, my horrible joke. Mother 2 - Earthbound - main character = Ness. Might have worked better if I said "Giygas" I noticed something odd in the initial meeting between Juno but I cannot recall The thing that was odd about it all was the way he referred to the system. Since in MML2 they call it Elysium, the master system and never refer to any employees or task force. The existence of a "MegaMan" modifier must mean that there are more MegaMen, and I thought that Juno initially referred to these 10,000 MegaMen (he specifically states a number). To be called "MegaMan" is not necessary, as evidenced by Juno and Data when requesting actions of the system, referring to them only as Trigger and Juno so I thought that "MegaMan" is nothing more than a designate for humanoid new-reploids that work for the system in varying degrees, such as Juno for bureaucratic means and Trigger for hunting aberrant units. Maybe as a tribute to the MegaMan of old? On the serious side of this, I focused on Data's choice of words. Too or 2? On the first side its already "Mother" but he says too or two. In MML2 the system is called a different name, one I cannot recall right now. I play these games once a year, can you believe I can't remember this? If Data means "too" then there are other people that want to scan him, I'm assuming Data meant the mother unit at forbidden isle, but if he meant two then what would that mean? I just posited this because it was weird to me at the time. 5 straight hours of playing MML blissfully fries your brain. You need more than just the high jump to beat the game. Your buster won't reach one of the bosses. You mean tin can man or the Bonnes? It's tedious and long but it can be done. Tin can man and Bruno require kamikaze style tactics, and the bonnes get close enough to hurt in either form, the trick is staying alive. For those impossible shots and walls that need to be busted, un-upgraded powered buster. |
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Post by Kyle on Nov 22, 2012 10:11:23 GMT -5
First and foremost, my horrible joke. Mother 2 - Earthbound - main character = Ness. Might have worked better if I said "Giygas" If it's any consolation, Hawkey. I got the reference. |
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Post by Loken on Nov 22, 2012 11:03:51 GMT -5
Yeah there arn't alot of answers for the system stuff. Legends 2 barely explains what happens in the first! There's alot lot lot of room for speculation.
Thinking about it we never really speculate about what Trigger did before he went all rebellious. What kind of aberrants did he hunt?
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Post by Mikéy on Nov 22, 2012 12:37:36 GMT -5
I'm talking about Balcon Gelede and the mission before it. The boss is also out of reach if I remember correctly. You'd be right on that one. Lake Jyun has to be the mother of all hells for non-upgraded runs in Legends, since it presents a situation that requires an obligatory +1 [or was it +2?] range upgrade to the buster or you'll flatout lose when you're faced with Balcon in the waterfall arena because Roll's too much of a nervous wreck to drive the boat a little closer.First time I ever got there I was stuck with a Powered Buster that was out of ammo and a Buster Gun that couldn't reach. I was toast. Won't ever forget that.  |
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Post by hawkeyes on Nov 22, 2012 13:45:03 GMT -5
Powered buster. no upgrade to it.
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Post by hawkeyes on Nov 22, 2012 13:59:23 GMT -5
Yup, as much as I'd love to do a 100% no upgrade run, the game makes your normal jump obsolete early into the game, as well as the one on rails battle giving you no hope for low range. You can kill the missles and junk before they hit and live by the skin of your teeth, tell Roll to retreat to heal/save, then do the rest. On the circle strafe on rails part your buster can hit the hands juuuuust barely but the green ball generating thing is out of your reach so - powered buster at base. You also need to blow apart a false roof which the powered buster can do.
So in the end, no other upgrades than the high jump and powered buster. I'll try to word my statements better next time.
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Post by Mikéy on Nov 22, 2012 14:09:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd give hawkeyes that one. Using the Powered Buster is essentially killing two birds with one stone by conventional methods, since you'd have to blow apart the false wall with a special weapon and need some way to reach the Balcon's rear end. Rather than going with a Range Booster [which in itself is an upgrade] and Grand Grenade, he went with an un-upgraded Powered Buster, which doesn't even have to be enhanced to do the Range Booster's job. Clever. |
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Post by hawkeyes on Nov 22, 2012 22:52:34 GMT -5
Not really, major things you NEED to do to get to the end:
repel bonne attack - bluembears (buster OK), Tron (buster OK), wreakerbots (buster OK) Bon Bonne (buster AOK, s/he is broken, stand close enough and you only need to take a few steps every so often.) Tanks/cannons (Buster OK) Marlwolf (buster OK) Tanks/cannons on way to side gate 1 (buster OK)
Ruins for parts for powered buster (buster OK)
Gate 1 - reaverbots (buster OK) High jump GET
High Jump practically necessary from now on
Part everyone mentions, the lake battle. Most of the time, just forget about hitting the subs, take care of the missles coming in. Your buster is too slow to get too many, so you WILL get hit. NO exceptions. Good thing you can retreat. Just LIVE and retreat, save, equip powered buster. Get hit 0 times from beginning to circle strafe point, cus you get mandatory hit by the arms. The arms point out, you get to hit them then and rarely when they are down. Save the PB for its rear, you don't have enough ammo to spare. You will also get hit, PB is slow.
Sub Gate 2 - reavers buster OK, Tin Can Man (kamikaze!)
Clozer woods gate - Reavers, false wall (powered buster, wont need it after this.)
Flying battle - Need to be VERY careful. Take too long and you will take too much mandatory damage. Ships (buster OK) main ship (buster OK, careful with side cannons) Red Falcon thing, gets close enough for like a second, very long battle! your bullets may be on their way but dissapear before they hit, you need to lead and shoot on time every time. Very fun. Also nerve wracking.
Main Gate - Shield guys can be killed, easier and faster to just ignore them. The crown jewel here is Bruno. My god, fun and tense battle. Spend most of the time with no shield and no life bar, thats when you pull up your big boy pants and open a big can of WA.
Living quarters - Reavers, centepede boss (stutter shot makes it a bit faster, most of the time you get distracted by its babies)
Main gate, final point of game - Reavers, Juno 1: Stay close, run in circles, avoid his attacks. Hes fast, and the only real chances you get are his ranbow arms as he stays in one place. Juno 2: he's ironically slower than Juno 1, but that means just run and gun.
Congratulations, you win!
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Post by Mikéy on Nov 23, 2012 14:38:21 GMT -5
Yeah, the Powered Buster definitely can. I believe there's three weapons for that ceiling that work; The Grand Grenade, Powered Buster, and I think the Active Buster can smash through it also. It's a shame none of the 3 can power through the walls in the Kattelox Ruins Network. It would've been a neat alternative to the Drill.
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Post by Loken on Nov 24, 2012 13:06:42 GMT -5
Wait, I thought anything could break that wall. Hmm, this was a learning experience lol
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Post by hawkeyes on Nov 24, 2012 19:41:21 GMT -5
I actually never used the grand grenade, my favorite arm has always been Vacuum Arm, rarely use anything else.
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Post by Loken on Nov 25, 2012 14:21:15 GMT -5
I would say this topic is going off track but I'm not really sure what we were supposed to be talking about.
I use the power buster mainly but honestly the buster gun is all you need so I typically don't use a special weapon. Besides the power buster looks comically out of place in MML1 and I love to kick zakobun!
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