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Post by Reaverguy Rises on Sept 30, 2012 1:27:05 GMT -5
Welcome to one of my rants!!! I hope you enjoy the topic I am bringing to light!!!
The legends world is one full of dangerous forces. You have bureaucratic units such as Megaman Juno, that blow up everybody on there island. You have air pirates that have armies of mechs that are capable of destroying entire cities and taking there money such as the Bonnes. There are the Mother units that can wipe out the earth with the push of a button (if they don't feel like using their uber mechs) and we have the mysterious elder system, and we really have no idea what they can do. But without a question the greatest force to be reckoned with is Roll Caskett! Think about it. Throughout the games Megaman gathers stuff, gives it to Roll, and all of sudden BAM! Megaman has some laser or missile that totally stomps all those dangerous things. Juno, the Bonnes, and the Mother Units have unlimited resources for weapons at there disposal, but all Roll has to do is grab a few thing Megaman found on his journey and they are going to loose any fight they pick with Megaman. I bet the Elder System has already decided not to come out because of her. Heck, every night they probably keep out a night light and make sure Roll isn't under there bed or in there closet ready to destroy them.
Just as a reminder, Roll's weaponry has caused the defeat of all these:
:26: :27: :28: :29: :31: And keep in mind this isn't putting so much as a dent into what havok she has done on these guys.
So this brings me to my question, why hasn't she conquered the world yet?!?! It would be SO EASY for her!!!!
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Post by HF on Sept 30, 2012 4:23:16 GMT -5
One word should be enough: Money
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Post by Mikéy on Sept 30, 2012 12:04:25 GMT -5
You may have a theoretical point, Reaverguy. Megaman, however, has to go to sleep with a night light himself and hope that there aren't any Shoebafuns under his bed. Even if there were, how would you even get rid of one, right?  Beyond those invincible mechanical wonders, there's not much that could likely stop the power of Roll's quote and quote " Fully Upgraded" weaponry. As HF mentioned, money plays a big factor in deciding whether her equipment turns unstoppable or not. How many King Mirocs are you willing to plunge into the ground? Are you willing to leave the game on overnight, grinding Fire Zakobons with your flame shield and vacuum arm? In the case of MML1, are you willing to smash up wasp's nests over and over? How bout visiting the underground cities and/or Main Gate K-Bashes for your zenny-grindin' pleasure? Important questions. Don't forget that Tron and Teisel gripe about money/spare parts at a fairly constant pace throughout both games. If they did have unlimited resources (Which they don't, btw. However, that remains to be seen with the master and elder systems.) then the battles between them and Megaman would be a lot more even. But yeahhh... Whether or not Roll ends up crushing the world is purely up to the player. Megaman's just the middleman.  |
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Post by Reaverguy Rises on Sept 30, 2012 18:07:33 GMT -5
Glad you both brought those points up.  As far as money goes, its really not to big of a deal for Roll. In fact, here is the step-by-step plan: 1. Let Megaman with his pre-made weaponry explore ruins and get zenny and parts. 2. Make awesome weapon. 3. Make Megaman get more zenny to upgrade weapons. And that's that. As far as the Bonne's lack of money, yes, but this is AFTER Roll's weapons knocked them to oblivion. Remember all those weapons they had on Kattelox. They had tanks, blumbears, machine guns, Bon Bonne, the Marlewolf, the Gesselschaft, Feldynaught, Balkon Gerat, Focke-Wolf, and Bruno. Roll's weaponry ripped them all to pieces. Even when the Bonne's lack money like in MML2, they have armies capable of taken multiple islands hostage (kinda makes you wonder what their definition of a lack of money is), but they CAN'T beat Megaman with Roll's weaponry. And they defeated the while also going around destroying reaverbots and eventually taking down Juno. |
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Post by Mikéy on Sept 30, 2012 19:47:08 GMT -5
If only Roll were that kind of person. She only makes weaponry if Megaman willingly brings forth components she can work with to create a deadly piece of equipment. If anything, the most laughable aspect of it would be when she creates the Shining Laser in MML1, saying that she "had no idea that I could create something this powerful," and that it's "so powerful it even scares me," or something along those lines. Point blank is that she's too sweet and innocent to ever want to take over the Earth Terra. Why hasn't she conquered it yet? 'cause she doesn't have the heart. |
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Post by Reaverguy Rises on Sept 30, 2012 21:10:01 GMT -5
Yeah, she is to nice...or Is she? :12: LOL, yeah, I know it's not in her nature. It's just interesting to think that in theory she would have no problem taking over Earth Terra, because out of all the dangerous things in the world, such as mother units, reaverbots, and air pirates, she is the most dangerous of them all.  If SHE was a villain, Megaman would be in serious trouble. :11: |
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Post by HF on Sept 30, 2012 21:12:10 GMT -5
The idea of this being one of many alternate story routes gives me a distinct sense of satisfaction.
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Post by Dashe on Oct 1, 2012 17:38:09 GMT -5
The fact that nobody in any major position of power has noticed the kind of stuff Roll's been creating serves as a solid basis to disprove Chiz's Refractor Cartel theory. If any major government force existed, following the Mother Lode instrument (which seemed like a generally worldwide thing) there'd have to be some government entity at least aware of Roll's skills and wanting it for themselves. Or maybe she's just had offers and turned them down for whatever reason, but if that were the case I'd imagine there'd probably be government agencies offering her more and more money to join them.
In Legends 3 Prototype, Barrett and Max do actually have to go up against one of Roll's machines on a motorhorse because the Klickelan police commissioned it from her. Since that battle's winnable then they're not totally invincible. Then again, the police might not have paid her that much, either, even though they looked like a pretty well-to-do police force.
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Post by HF on Oct 1, 2012 19:25:23 GMT -5
@ Dashe: So assuming gameplay/story segregation applies, that effectively boils down to the fact that Roll's 'overwhelming force' is simply an extension of Rock's, who as we know is nigh invincible by design.
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Post by Dashe on Oct 1, 2012 20:13:09 GMT -5
Yeah, probably, assuming game overs are not canon. It isn't like there's a canon weapon 'assignment' for him to take into every fight the way there was in Classic and X either. For all we know though, he might not even be taking special weapons with him at all aside from the grand grenade in Clozer and the drill arm in Nino.
On the other hand, Roll -is- trying to build a rocket in a world where it doesn't look like space travel is really a thing, and she is getting commissions, so someone must've noticed she had skills.
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Post by HF on Oct 1, 2012 20:31:04 GMT -5
Game Overs can't be canon; that's why there is no 'continue' option.
Should NxC/TvC be used as a reference, then the weapon choices may just be sorted by popularity (and the Shining Laser simply due to sheer power by comparison).
As for whether they are part of the actual canon, I don't think the specifics matter at all in a 'pick your adventure' type of game; it's more fun that way.
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Post by SketchMan3 on Oct 1, 2012 21:16:27 GMT -5
Hey now, we can't be trying to act like Megaman doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the equation >=(. I mean, Megaman can save the entire world with almost no upgrades from Roll, so maybe there's more to the part that Megaman plays in Rolls "success" than we are giving him credit for. I'm sure he could find some other capable spotter to build him a grand grenade(maybe the junk store man)?, and he can buy his own Sniper Scope for those hard to reach places. I don't think Megaman is too dumb to get by without Roll's "helpful" observations. Maybe. Either way, Roll still has to eat and maintain the Flutter, so she has to sell the neato weapons she makes (I wonder who's buying... hmmm). And if Megaman dies, I don't think Roll would be physically capable of doing the kind of digging Megaman does on her own, thus limiting her money supply. But hey, maybe she'd be able to charm that digger guy with the pistol into going along with her (though he seems quite a bit smarter than Megaman). I don't think she'd be able to do it without a Volnutt, and I don't think he'd go along with it, either. Despite her strengths, I feel like she has a fragile side that would eventually crack under the strain of world domination. And I bet Tron would tear her apart face to face without Megaman in the way to make her all twitterpated... I can't see her efficiently running an army, either. She doesn't strike me as a capable leader of many... |
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Post by HF on Oct 2, 2012 1:08:42 GMT -5
Hey now, we can't be trying to act like Megaman doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the equation >=(. What did you think I meant by: |
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Post by SketchMan3 on Oct 2, 2012 16:12:02 GMT -5
Hey now, we can't be trying to act like Megaman doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the equation >=(. What did you think I meant by: Just figured I'd give my $.2 is all. lol, nothing pefrsonal. |
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Post by Reaverguy Rises on Oct 2, 2012 21:13:52 GMT -5
I think Megaman contributes greatly, and his being a purifier unit adds to it. But I think Roll is largely responsible. My case in point, his defeating the MOTHER SYSTEM UNIT SERA. Sera should by all means be more powerful than any other character. I don't think any other person could made weapons to take her out with. I think that is what makes Roll the unquestioned master of weapon creation in MML. She is capable of creating weapons such as the shining laser that makes the Mother System's weapons seem weak and frail by comparison. We also need to remember that when Megaman didn't have Roll's help in the past, his body was so damaged by Sera that he had to be rebooted. Megaman is a true warrior, but Roll made him so much more powerful than anybody else could have. If she can give him weapons that out shine the Mother System's, that says a frightening amount on her part. :18:
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