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Post by fAB on Jun 14, 2005 1:04:46 GMT -5
I use Internet Explorer myself, but I'm switching over. Everyone around me tried to tell me how much better Mozilla Firefox is in all regards... I downloaded it awhile back, gave it a quick try, didn't particularly care for it.
More recently however, I discovered what an amazing file format the PNG is! Truly incredible in my eyes, which see both artistic merit as well as web development possibilities. Only problem is, PNG isn't properly supported on IE... Take them to Firefox (and yes, some others as well) and they look fantastic, but Explorer doesn't like them at all. It messes up the transparency, won't let you use it as background unless you use special coding (and even then, it's still not quite right), etc.
So, as I continue to improve my web skills, I think of the potential that lies before me with these new possibilities... Sadly, last I knew, the masses still use IE for their web browsing. I'd like to get some idea of what everyone here uses, and whether they'd be willing to make a change, in such an event as say, the future MMLS V4 doesn't show up properly in Internet Explorer?
Mind you, I'm not setting anything in stone, I'm just curious. I'm only beginning to toy with the idea of MMLS V4, so by the time (when and if) it ever arrives, there could very well be an Internet Explorer 7 which has no problems with PNG. Here's hoping. In the meantime though, please let me know.
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Post by GustaffGlyde on Jun 14, 2005 5:38:30 GMT -5
You will download Firefox, for it has been written in the Book of Mozilla*. But anyways, I’ve been using Firefox for a long time now and it’s simply great. To quote… Of course, they list all the reasons why you should get it on the site ( here). If you’re still using IE, you poor, poor sons of—I mean… just trust me, either Firefox or Opera are better alternatives to IE (Opera also supports PNGs). I use Firefox myself, but some people also like Opera ( click. Of course, unlike Firefox, you’ll have to live with 24/7 ads on your browser unless you feel like paying a small fee. I say stick with Firefox, but eh, it’s your life). Either way, I wouldn’t stick with IE, one major reason being that… In this day and age, that’s a big problem (and yes, I’m being extra lazy today by using lots of quotes). They say the next version of IE will support PNGs, but do you really want to use such a browser, one with more security holes and issues than any other out there? Firefox is free, and it works very well, so I think the choice is clear… Though I suppose the point was all about PNGs and who used Firefox or a PNG supporting browser, but eh, if you still use IE then switch. *to read the Book of Mozilla, simply place about:Mozilla in the address bar and press enter.
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Post by Chiz on Jun 14, 2005 8:19:19 GMT -5
I've used Netscape Navigator (Mozilla's big brother) since day 1. I've always hated MSIE - a lot more adware & spyware (like those ----ing xxx toolbars), and various other malware, is targetted for MSIE. That, and I've read everywhere that MSIE is less secure than Netscape - I mean, isn't MSIE the same program I use to browse my PC's folders? (MSIE Users - Type "C:\" in your address bar and you should be able to view/alter your drive's contents!). Netscape only tells you what's there - it doesn't allow you to change anything. MSIE is too powerful! It must be stopped! With Netscape 7.2 (I've checked 8.0, it's not there : ( ) there's a function that lets you easily block images and/or iFrames from certain sources (like ad sites, or sites that would make onlookers blush, if you know what I mean). It's an awesome feature I could not live without. (No, this is not related to me not seeing forum images, I've checked.) In the end, I find Netscape to be a superior browser. (And yeah, since Mozilla is close enough to Netscape, it gets to attend the "superiority party" too) *scratches head* I think what I just said made sense. If it confuses anyone, I think I said "Get Netscape, Dump MSIE". EDIT: I've also used the Portable Networks Graphic format (that's what it stands for, folks!) since day 1 - it's like the best qualities of a GIF and a BMP put together! ...and that's why our guild site was Netscape/Mozilla only for so long - I couldn't stop using PNG graphics... Heed my advice, MSIE users!
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Post by JMC47 on Jun 14, 2005 10:22:57 GMT -5
I just use IE, never failed me, and Fire fox looks like crap, I've seen it on NMN's computer
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Post by pitch on Jun 14, 2005 11:25:12 GMT -5
Hello. My name is Pitch and I'm a FireFox-a-holic.
"Hello Pitch!"
Anyway, yeah, I've been using FireFox for almost a year now. I used to use Internet Exploited Explorer, but then my computer kept getting all sorts of viruses and spyware. I had to reformat the damn thing about a million times(on top of various unrelated hardware failure...). So I decided to look into more secure browsing(in addition to using various Ad-ware and Spyware removal utilities). I started with Mozilla- I still have yet to see the difference, but eh.. FireFox loads faster. =/ And it's really easy to get used to. It has tabbed browsing!! I can be posting here, and on all sorts of other forums(I usually don't do that though), in the SAME WINDOW!!! And it can remember your Passwords and stuff for ya. There are a few cons to it though...
Firefox does not show colored text... well it does, but for some reason I think you have to have the <font color="colorname"> instead of the hex value. That's all I've encountered really.
But since then I've not had ONE problem with Viruses and Spyware. Hardly ever get any pop-ups too(I've come across one site that has problems with pop-ups)
And as for the PNG thing. XD That one had me uber confused. I kept yelling at my computer "No! It's supposed to be transparent!" Then I switched to GIFs, when I figured out how to do that without major dithering(don't use Paint). I switched to FireFox, and I heard about the PNG thing... I don't really care though, as anything I need transparent I can do with GIFs, but there have been some cases on other websites, so I'm happy with it. ;D
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Post by PharaohManXe54 on Jun 14, 2005 12:05:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I love Firefox. I got it as soon as I got DSL. Back last year, when I had a crappy Mac and *gasp* dial-up, I used IE only cause it was the only one I could handle at the time. I didn't have the bandwidth to download Firefox, so I'm surprised you got it, fab! But it's so much better. Blocks almost ALL pop-ups without a stupid program, no freaking toolbars. The search thingie in the corner is condensed so you can search on google, yahoo, dictionary.com, amazon, and eBay in one search box. But there is one HUGE HUGE HUGE downer: it doesn't load Window's Media Player movies or any movies that aren't flash or Mpeg's if they're in the browser window. So if I want to watch a video review of Guild Wars for example on GameSpot.com, I'd have to switch over to IE because it'll constantly say "Download Missing Plugin" because MICROSOFT DOESN'T WANT OTHER BROWSERS TO USE IT. Ahhh.... the world would be a much better place if only everyone used FireFox. But seriously, it's growing SO fast, that in a couple of years, probably half of the people in the world will have it.
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Post by pitch on Jun 14, 2005 12:39:13 GMT -5
Pharoahman, I believe you can actually GET that plugin to watch media in Firefox. Cuz I was just over at Gamespot myself watching a video Windows Media Player style.
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Post by feldinaut on Jun 14, 2005 13:51:49 GMT -5
I guess you could say I use multiple browsers, since I do occasionally have to use IE, but I mainly stick to Firefox. About that plug-in, I don't know WTF you did, Pitch. I remember in old versions of Firefox that I had before 1.0 came out, I had no difficulty playing Windows Media Player files, but now, they just don't work. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling WMP, even, and it still doesn't work. It's obnoxious, and I have to either download or open IE to view WMP-associated files. I appreciate Firefox because of the little bit I know about web design. It just displays everything properly. (Except pop-up ads...) You never have to use stupid HTML tricks for simple procedures like you do in IE. It even displays the freakishly old (AND ANNOYING, but oh well) <blink> and <marquee> tags. It's crazy. And as was mentioned, IE is insecure to a degree that is just enraging. Dude, I don't download adware, spyware, etc. I do everything I can to protect myself from it. I'm not stupid when it comes to internet safety. And yet still, DESPITE THE FACT THAT I NEVER DOWNLOAD ADWARE, my IE STILL has random toolbars on it. That's just unacceptable. As far as PNG support, I wouldn't worry too much about it. I would imagine that IE would eventually HAVE to support it just to keep up with other browsers. Heck, I know they've already developed tabbed browsing to keep up with Firefox (though I think you might have to pay for it ). I am concerned about Firefox's stability though. Back before it was as popular as it is today, I got no pop-up ads. Now, I'm beginning to get them again. So I guess people are figuring out how to work around its pop-up features. That's the downfall to its popularity, I suppose. Still not NEARLY as bad as IE, though.
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Post by pitch on Jun 14, 2005 15:16:06 GMT -5
Maybe I'm using an older version? No I'm using version 1.0.4 Shoot, I don't remember what plugins I put on... I remember using the Quicktime one, but beyond that, nothing... Maybe it's because I have an older version of Media Player...? I stopped updating that a few months ago... =/
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Post by Notmyname on Jun 14, 2005 16:48:58 GMT -5
Ahem... i... LOVE... firefox. Try clicking this in ie without getting an errror ;D But really, firefox is much more secure. JMC said it looked like crap or something. i don't know what the hell he is talking about. And pngs are awesome, fab, and so are 32 bit ones. MMLEx used to run on png's for transparent images since tga's were not an option.
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Post by Mandinga on Jun 14, 2005 21:11:58 GMT -5
I use Internet Explorer myself, but I'm switching over. Everyone around me tried to tell me how much better Mozilla Firefox is in all regards... I downloaded it awhile back, gave it a quick try, didn't particularly care for it. More recently however, I discovered what an amazing file format the PNG is! Truly incredible in my eyes, which see both artistic merit as well as web development possibilities. Only problem is, PNG isn't properly supported on IE... Take them to Firefox (and yes, some others as well) and they look fantastic, but Explorer doesn't like them at all. It messes up the transparency, won't let you use it as background unless you use special coding (and even then, it's still not quite right), etc. So, as I continue to improve my web skills, I think of the potential that lies before me with these new possibilities... Sadly, last I knew, the masses still use IE for their web browsing. I'd like to get some idea of what everyone here uses, and whether they'd be willing to make a change, in such an event as say, the future MMLS V4 doesn't show up properly in Internet Explorer? Mind you, I'm not setting anything in stone, I'm just curious. I'm only beginning to toy with the idea of MMLS V4, so by the time (when and if) it ever arrives, there could very well be an Internet Explorer 7 which has no problems with PNG. Here's hoping. In the meantime though, please let me know. the masses need to go to windows update and get all the windows updates to fix image lo0ading problems .png .tga, what ever it's all that simple. no need to swtich browsers, and yes I've been using the portable network graphics files for a looooong time now, very nice
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Post by aarond on Jun 14, 2005 21:18:20 GMT -5
Wow, I never realized this many people around here used Firefox---I just switched a few weeks ago and really couldn't be happier with it. The only real problem is that you have to download a lot of plugins and such for Java games and applets, sometimes. But the spyware and adware blocking is incredible!
Plus, IE used to freeze up on me ALL THE TIME, and Firefox never does, basically. It's a whole ton better.
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Post by Edwardo Rocket on Jun 15, 2005 15:53:10 GMT -5
I'm using Firefox right now. It's the only thing for me. I used to think that IE was good, but deep down I knew it was a choice only followers of Dark Lord Gates would choose. So, Firefox is a welcome respite. And when I get Linux figgered out, Dark Lord Gates will hold NO GRASP on me.
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Post by bluerobotgirl on Jun 18, 2005 22:03:03 GMT -5
Firefox > Internet Exploder Explorer
I haven't had half as much spyware since I switched last summer. Really, Firefox is much better. Who woulda thought such a great web browser was free?
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Post by pitch on Jun 18, 2005 22:45:43 GMT -5
The free thing is something that worries me. I dunno what FireFox's policy on this is, but I'm worried that eventually they'll start charging for it... That would seriously suck....
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