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Post by mirak on Sept 15, 2009 20:22:11 GMT -5
I suggest we have one.
Usually you cannot talk "in general" because each thread has a defined topic, which means you literally have to try to speak of that topic, or else you'll go offtopic, which is against the rules.
So why not make a stickied chat thread? For all off topic chat? Could be in the mumbo jumbo forum. I dunno, sometimes i'd like a place where i can come and see conversations about anything, i feel that's the best way to get to know people.
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Post by Captain Amadeus (Legendary Em) on Sept 16, 2009 8:55:09 GMT -5
I second this (e)motion.
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Post by Santa Melty on Sept 16, 2009 15:56:41 GMT -5
Hmm... Well, I don’t want to have a thread set up in the particular way you’ve proposed, since that kind of off-topic chatting was pretty much exactly what the mumbo-jumbo section’s original purpose was, and it didn’t work out so hot the first time. It pretty much overshadowed all other conversations for a while and clogged up the most recent post listing. We asked everyone to cut back a little because of this, and the whole place just sort of died overnight.  I do remember someone mentioning some kind of chatroom feature that could be implemented alongside the normal forum stuff, though the suggestion didn’t go through for reasons I can’t recall. I wouldn’t be against something like that, assuming it’s possible. Dashe or Fab would have to comment on that one, though. But then, I have to wonder how much demand there really is for something like that these days. I spent a fair amount of time around that IRC chat Duo tried setting up when it first went online, but from what I could tell it didn’t receive much traffic. And I know that I probably wouldn’t use a forum chatroom feature that much myself. |
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Post by Pitch on Sept 16, 2009 16:25:52 GMT -5
… that kind of off-topic chatting was pretty much exactly what the mumbo-jumbo section’s original purpose was … ^ This. You can post about pretty much anything you feel like in Mumbo Jumbo (within reason, abiding by the Rules and so on), so there's no real need for a general purpose, catch-all thread to carry out any and all discussion about nothing in particular. It seems nobody tends to post in Mumbo Jumbo any more — I have my own theories about that, personally; but there's no reason you can't. |
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Post by bdk336 on Sept 16, 2009 17:30:02 GMT -5
I don't know if this would be implemented on the site or anything but I've found on other forums that a spot for each member to make their own topic just for their own social purposes tends to be more successful than just a forum for conversation in general. Not that we absolutely need a change or anything just an idea.
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Post by Pitch on Sept 16, 2009 17:58:53 GMT -5
That actually sounds like a rather interesting idea. Like having your own “Lounge” rather than an Official, general-public one? Say whatever's on your mind, whenever you feel like it? Something like that?
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Post by mirak on Sept 16, 2009 19:08:38 GMT -5
and the whole place just sort of died overnight. Err, isn't this actually a bad thing?  EW! Nonono, i'm not suggesting a chatroom, those things suck. Specially for people who are in virtually different worlds like this site. If i suggested a thread that's because it's something i can see all the time without the posts dissappearing or having to be in coordination with someone else's time. As for being able to post whatever i want in mumbo jumbo, the problem with this is that the phrase you mentioned appears like this according to the common rules -> "You Can Post Anything You Want*************" (this is an exaggeration). The "anything" you want" has a different and extense definition for what "anything" means, so making a thread there is like an old nitro explosive, you don't know if by revealing it to the open air there shall be an automatic explosion. Even if what you said it's true, i'd have to make a thread for each topic i feel like talking about, which, again, makes the discussion centered on one topic instead of any topic and once one person posted and ran out of things to say there, the thread dies, and if the section got many visits (and by what i read in mlt's post, helped the forum become more active there), then it would be breaking the rules or something. Not meant as offense, but bdk's idea sounds pretty much like a phbb chatbox or twitter, and that isn't really what i was aiming for by making this suggestion. But ok, you guys exposed your take, i'm cool with the "no" and all. EDIT: I edited. You may want to re-read. |
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Post by Pitch on Sept 16, 2009 19:24:38 GMT -5
I've always assumed half the Rules don't matter in Mumbo Jumbo, personally, but even if they do, it would be the same deal for a Chat thread anyway. o__O You pretty much would have to go off somewhere and create your own forum, with your own set of rules (or without any rules) to get what you're looking for.
Well, pretty much. There's nothing wrong with throw-away topics, though. They look ugly after the fact, but that's one of the things Mumbo Jumbo's for, I believe.
As long as you're talking about something, not just posting for absolutely no reason, (and even if you do post with no reason, so long as you're keeping it to a minimum), it should be fine, really. It just got really annoying when the majority of posts being made on the board were SPAMtastic.
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Post by bdk336 on Sept 16, 2009 20:42:21 GMT -5
If you are interested in the idea I can show you an example (picks random forum out of 15 or so): forum.werewolfcafe.com/viewforum.php?id=4note this is here as an example not to say "this is exactly what we should do" |
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Post by Qwertman on Sept 21, 2009 13:26:44 GMT -5
Is there any topic in particular that you have on mind mir@k?
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Post by mirak on Sept 21, 2009 15:12:23 GMT -5
No, i don't have a particular topic of discussion.
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Post by MayImilae on Sept 22, 2009 1:24:42 GMT -5
Personally, I would like to see a single spam thread as opposed to the mumbo jumbo forum. A forum is topical in nature, you start a topic, people respond to it. That is how it has worked for a very long time, since the BBS days. This is great for logical discussion, but for random nonsense... not so much. My theory is that by having it seperate people felt the need to spam in each new topic, combine this with a large number of people relaxing there and it spun out of control. Eventually it got bad enough that the hammer had to fall to clean it up, changing it to a place with limitations, betraying it's very point of existence. I agree that the hammer had to fall, it was what was needed, but at the same time, mumbo jumbo was killed in the process.
I believe this all happened because the concept of a forum for mumbo jumbo is flawed at it's heart. Forums are designed for logical discussion, spam is well, not exactly logical. Therefore people made topics for their various nonsense and there you go. So, I think that having a single thread for all Mumbo Jumbo could work nicely; people could just say random things without the need to start a new thread, and everyone has a nice central location to go to. It would help contain and limit the nonsense and keep people from spamming over and over, but they could still respond and stuff to get their cool.
But, if we have more then one location for spamming, we are asking for trouble. This isn't a chatroom afterall, it is designed for discussion with topics and boundaries. I think that the mumbo jumbo should be converted from a sub-forum to just a thread.
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Post by fAB on Sept 22, 2009 9:49:56 GMT -5
I have no strong feelings on the forum lounge idea, but I wanted to pop in and clarify something in regards to the Mumbo-Jumbo area.
I think we had problems with it because people misunderstood its purpose (and continue to do so). It was never meant to be a SPAM-athon or a place where rules didn't matter, it was just a place for all the crap. Threads of a @_@ nature were the inspiration for it, threads like "What did you have for breakfast this morning?" spring to mind. Seriously, isn't that just a ridiculously stupid topic? I don't think anything interesting or insightful is likely to come from threads like that, and there were plenty of them. Yet, they don't break any rules. Therefore, Mumbo-Jumbo was supposed to be the place where those kinds of discussions could take place away from the rest of everything in the forum, and people didn't add anything to their post counts in that area- because there were always members like that back then who wanted their custom title and would find every stupid thread they could to post in just to increase their post count.
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