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Post by SIMSteven on Oct 25, 2004 22:36:53 GMT -5
You get the cheaper prices because you gave her the "heart" items, not because of the bath scene. The bath scene only comes once you give her all three, so you go confused there.
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Post by Bureaucratic Model 1-3 on Oct 28, 2004 22:15:25 GMT -5
You're all Crazy! Roll Loves Megaman, Megaman Loves Everybody (its a hero thing) Tron Loves Megaman more, but can't do anything about it but lie, cheat, steal, and occasionally try to kill Megaman. It all makes perfect sense .
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Post by feldinaut on Oct 29, 2004 11:26:33 GMT -5
Oh dear... I may have ranted about this before. Well, I have a LOT to say about this subject. My view is that MegaMan and Roll's relationship was that of a brother and sister in Legends 1... BUT! In Legends 2, for whatever reason, it became more of a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship, of sorts. It's more of a one-sided crush on Roll's part, I think, but I'll get into that later. For a long time, I dismissed the signs that Roll might have some romantic feelings for MegaMan in Legends 2. After all, no signs of that exist in Legends 1. But once I started replaying the games, I started to notice some very obvious and drastic changes in Roll's personality from one game to the next, and a little with MegaMan's. (And when you think about it that way, Tron is the only character in this love triangle whose personality stays stable between the two games. Tron. Stable. ...HOLY COW.) Legends 1 MegaMan was, pretty obviously, I think, not attracted to Roll. I mean, he liked her (he grew up with her, after all), but there was nothing romantic about it. Sure, MegaMan gave Roll a gift or two, but it was more in a "Look what I found on this dig," "Gee, that's cool! Can I have it?" way than an "I got this for you, Roll. ♥!" way. It doesn't seem like he's changed TOO much in Legends 2, but the quote "Roll looks so cute when she's sailing the ship," kinda tips off that he's starting to have some feelings for Roll...if only physically. (Although it's interesting to note that the bad MegaMan treats Roll like trash. ;D) Legends 1 Roll is almost completely different from Legends 2 Roll. It's just insane. Let's make a chart: Legends 1 Roll- Cheery
- Helpful
- Level-headed
- Independant
- Pleasant
- Has a good relationship with MegaMan
Legends 2 Roll- Depressed
- Annoying
- Sappy
- Needy
- ARGH ARGH I HATE YOU KILL
- Has a crush on MegaMan
The point I'm trying to make is that the crush Roll has on MegaMan is one of the many, MANY unexplainable changes in her character from one game to the next. It's like Capcom completely changed her. Throw logic out the window! Roll has a crush on MegaMan for no reason and even though she didn't have one before! Just look at her dialogue. The crush is obvious. ...Oh gosh. I would REALLY like to pretend Legends 2 Roll didn't exist and that Legends 1 Roll was there instead. Legends 2 would have be so much different... But I can't. I cannot ignore solid game facts, as little sense as they make. It is because of Legends 2 Roll's crush that we're having this debate. It's Legends 2 Roll's fault, and I hate her. The brother/sister relationship is rarely seen in video games, and I think it sucks that it devolved into something so cliche, especially after Legends 1 captured it so well. BLARGH!! A synopsis of my views... The way it WAS in Legends 1 and how it SHOULD have remained, in my opinion, and according to common logic: MegaMan and Roll naturally have a sibling relationship, as they've lived together for most of their lives and both see Barrel as a grandfather figure (I assume, as MegaMan calls him "Gramps" like Roll does). The way it IS as of Legends 2 because of certain facts presented in that game which cannot be denied as much as I would LOVE to disregard them: Roll has suddenly developed an unnatural, illogical crush on MegaMan, formerly her brother figure, that was completely nonexistent the year before which he may or may not reciprocate (depending on your behavior in the game). By the way... Anyone have a really good explanation, invented or with some solid facts behind it, for Roll's X-TREME!! character change between the games? I'd really like to hear it. It might set my mind at ease.
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Post by JMC47 on Oct 29, 2004 12:39:54 GMT -5
Very good feldinaut, it all makes sense now. The one reason that I think Roll would of changed is that she is depressed, it isn't apparent at the beginning of legends 2. Something went down the toilet in her brain and she lost all logic and fell in love with her all but brother(my quess in the loss of logic I blame on her being so close to finding her mother and father). I think after Matilda returns to Terra Roll will return to normal, if you want any of my more illogical reasons, please tell me. Anyway as I continue, how do you think Megaman would react to Roll if he found this out, his sister for 15 years turn into his girlfriend... that would make a good fan fic. If your like me, you'd believe that Roll is somewhat mentally unstable do to the loss of her parents for 10-11 years. I completely thought that it was a Brother sister relationship until you brought this up, and now I see it your way, you can't fight the facts.
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Post by WoodleDiaper on Oct 29, 2004 13:38:05 GMT -5
Very good feldinaut, it all makes sense now. The one reason that I think Roll would of changed is that she is depressed, it isn't apparent at the beginning of legends 2. Something went down the toilet in her brain and she lost all logic and fell in love with her all but brother(my quess in the loss of logic I blame on her being so close to finding her mother and father). I think after Matilda returns to Terra Roll will return to normal, if you want any of my more illogical reasons, please tell me. Anyway as I continue, how do you think Megaman would react to Roll if he found this out, his sister for 15 years turn into his girlfriend... that would make a good fan fic. If your like me, you'd believe that Roll is somewhat mentally unstable do to the loss of her parents for 10-11 years. I completely thought that it was a Brother sister relationship until you brought this up, and now I see it your way, you can't fight the facts. It's kinda scary that you mention that...As in the fan-fic I'm writing right now, Roll is VERY mentally unstable at the beginning, and Rock is trying to figure out what to do as he found out Roll has a crush on him =P As for Feldinaut, why this huge change for Roll comes so suddenly, it may just be age...Legends 1 is pretty much the end of their childhood (at 14 too...man, they're really stretching it) and I guess in Legends 2 they start growing up? Dunno, that's my explanation for it. Best I can give you at the moment =P
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Post by JMC47 on Oct 29, 2004 14:14:40 GMT -5
No, its not just there age, if anything, they would be more seperated at this age. A wierd thing to notice, Roll acts completely normal in ... lets say the first half of the game, then she acts very different, did anyone else notice that.(about the fan fic, I'm just psychic)
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Post by Bureaucratic Model 1-3 on Oct 29, 2004 15:35:43 GMT -5
I'm with WoodofRock up there, I think the reason Megaman and Roll weren't acting strange in the first game was because it was a bunch of fourteen years olds, and hypothetically it only lasted a week at least. I thought that she liked him back then, but for a couple of fourteen year olds what are you doing to do... *thinks for a minute* (knowing the Japanese ) But in MML2 they're both almost sixteen, and it would make more sense for Roll to be love sick if she loved Megaman, but he didn't even notice she existed... as a girl... you know what I mean... . But you can all have your theories, and while this is fun to debate, unless we get the actual writers in here I don't think we have the full intent, quite. BTW where can one get a copy of a game script?
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Post by JMC47 on Oct 29, 2004 15:46:47 GMT -5
There are a bunch of theories that make sense, I'll believe the one that makes the most sense. But the truth that I believe is probably true is that if all these factors were combined then we'd have out answer, but for now I believe what feldinaut put.
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Post by feldinaut on Oct 29, 2004 16:01:49 GMT -5
The age thing had never crossed my mind (for whatever reason), but Roll's behavior is beginning to make a lot more sense with that in mind. It makes perfect sense. Also, I hadn't considered the timeframe of Legends 1. It was indeed very short, and that's an excellent point Jacko's Beaurocratic Microondas.
As for the game scripts, why you can find them on our very own, dearly beloved MMLS! They're under the "game guides" sections of each game.
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Post by JMC47 on Oct 29, 2004 18:12:22 GMT -5
I still don't believe that she could change so much in a single year, starting to like Megaman ... I guess, but a complete reversal in personality, come on. There are so many possible answers to the change in personality it is not funny, but she might want to think about taking anti-depressents, she was dreadful in the beginning of Legends 2.
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Post by S K Y on Oct 29, 2004 18:52:46 GMT -5
I think that both the the year change and seeing Matilda on TV put Rolls behavior in order.
She [thought] she was really close to finding her Mother and Father but then to find out that wasnt it she just broke or something.(She handles it better than most anime/video game people though)
So this might have made her begin to feel lonely.
Face it.
Everyone is really attached to their mother and father.
A Grandparent isnt really that close to you.
But with Megaman lets face it they are close togetehr alot. In digs shes constantly talking when your dieing or pointing out the obvious so they are close over a walkie talkie. And when he comes to the flutter then they might talk for a little while. I mean it cant be that too exciting on a ship if pirates arent attacking or some ruins are acting weird. And that combined with the lose of her parents and seeing how lonely she was might have triggered hormones or something.
But we all have our opinions and thats just mine.
[Feldinauts having the most facts so far]
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Post by JMC47 on Oct 29, 2004 19:11:44 GMT -5
Everyones ideas make sense...(Explodes). I'm going to list the factors that may of contributed to her change in attitude. 1. Being so close to finding her parents 2. Megaman and Roll being so close, due to Roll having no parents 3. Megaman being so nice to her 4. Him being a first class purifier(girls like high paying jobs ) 5. of course, their age these are just a few of the reasons, but they should be enough to see why she changed.(Anime characters are really stupid usually, she kind of under reacts to stuff, rather than over reacting... depression)
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Post by SIMSteven on Oct 29, 2004 21:37:46 GMT -5
I just believe that a year has gone by, Roll did some thinking during that time, and she wanted to become more than friends in the next while.
MegaMan and Roll were close in the beginning of 1, but they were young and just getting their careers started.
A year later, they've become a great team and grew on each other.
Now they've been going through puberty and they are starting to think adult thoughts.
And if all else fails, blame it on MegaMan's voice change.
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Post by JMC47 on Oct 30, 2004 9:23:15 GMT -5
Megaman went through reverse puberty though, thats probably why he is not reacting to the way she feels toward him. The voice change is the key to all our questions, believe the voice change. Anyway, she doesn't act wierd the whole game, only towards the end, if I remember correctly.(I know at least up to the crabbot battle there acting normal, the discussion about pizza and stuff.)
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Post by WoodleDiaper on Oct 30, 2004 12:14:38 GMT -5
As for Rock not reacting to Roll's behavior...Roll could be changing her attitude towards him for any of the reasons that were listed above...Rock on the other hand, in the past year, has just discovered that he/was a much older than 14 year old tool of the system that might not even be human. I'd be a TAD bit more worried about that
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