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Post by Aim on Sept 10, 2005 14:05:24 GMT -5
I've been wondering recently: you know how in the final battle of MoTB, the one where the Servebots have to go up against the Collosus in the Gustaff? Anyways, one of the scenes features Loath in a decently sized circular room, apparently inside the Collosus. Anyways, when you think back to it, were there any kind of mechanisms of any sort to pilot the robot? Furthermore, there was no seat; at that, there weren't really even any screens of any sort. So my question is this: what part does a carbon play in activation and ownership of the Collosus? It's obvious that they have to activate the reaverbot using a special refractor, buy beyond that, is that room constructed simply to safegaurd the carbon who activated the Collosus? Furthermore, if Reaverbot's goals are to defend the ancient ruins, why is it that they would have made one who's function is simply to destroy things all over the planet? I mean, I couldn't really tell that the reaverbot was recieving any sort of directions by Loath; it actually seems like he's just trying to smash the closest thing, especially considering there are no gadgets in the cockpit to control him. Why would the ancients have built a robot to be controlled by an outside party?  It confuses me, anyways. Bah... back to Paul Allen. Actually, my brother was just playing through the end mission again, conveintly enough, and I got a good look at the room. All there is is one console with 10 small blue buttons, one of which is ignition. Assuming that others perform tasks such as mouth lasers, deploying sakarukurus, etc., where in the world is the device to actually maneuver the thing? |
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Post by Santa Melty on Sept 10, 2005 18:04:12 GMT -5
As to how he controlled it, I would say that our best bet is simply that there were controls that we were unable to see from the given camera angles. Simple, and rids us of the need to speculate over telepathic motion controls and the like.
Why would they make a machine build solely for the purpose of destruction? Now there’s something to think about... I can’t imagine much reason besides them simply wanting to have some means or secondary defense should anything go wrong. A corruption in programming perhaps, or a rebellion in the system. The smaller reaverbots all appear to act independently to perform one common task. It is conceivable that one could use this universal behavior to turn them against the system. Since the Colossus is manually controlled, it would be immune to attempts to alter its AI, since it wouldn’t have any. On a larger scale, what if the purifiers or bureaucrats somehow turned against them? Then it would become even more useful. The Master looks cool, but I doubt that means he can fight.
That’s my perception anyway.
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Post by Heat Sonata on Sept 10, 2005 20:07:30 GMT -5
To be correct, I counted 15 with one yellow in the middle.
I wonder if it's possible he built the control room himself? But then I guess he would have designed with a chair or something for functionality.
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Post by Aim on Sept 10, 2005 21:51:44 GMT -5
Wow... if a bunch of Servbots in a Gustaff could beat the mess out of the Colossus, it wasn't much of a last-ditch defense system, was it? Hrmm... But that's the only explanation that makes sense.
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Post by Dashe on Sept 11, 2005 12:16:42 GMT -5
Maybe the Collosus wasn't designed to be piloted by a carbon at all (hence the lack of chair in the cockpit). The original intent was probably to have some grunt from The System or perhaps even a higher-level Reaverbot pilot it, maybe to re-initialize Ryship or the entire planet or something.
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Post by Teisel Bonne on Sept 11, 2005 14:06:05 GMT -5
There was a control panel, and possibly a screen, you know there are controls because loathe says "All i have to do is push this button, right here, IGNITION" and the screen must be there, but the only angles given are from behind the screen and from above  |
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Post by Aim on Sept 11, 2005 15:26:11 GMT -5
Well, yes, I still yield to the fact that there were 10 buttons and possibly a screen. But still, how could he maneuver with only ten buttons? Er, I don't know... Anyways, still, it seems like many high power reaverbots have been stronger than that thing; if you think about the fact that Megaman was able to completely annihalate the Gustaff (so much that even Tron was... severely damaged  ), yet the Gustaff was able to utterly destroy the Collosus (I guess evidenced by Loath's falling in the water), than why in the world would they have created Trigger to be so much more powerful than the Colossus? It just doesn't fit together... I hate thinking so much about all this when I know it's just a plothole.  |
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Post by Dashe on Sept 15, 2005 22:54:31 GMT -5
Well, the Gustaff was big and clunky and could pluck all sorts of things out of the ground...like trees, and ENERGY PYLONS...
The energy pylons were crucial to the Colossus's power, but the Gustaff's strength enabled it to destroy them. Mega Man can beat the Gustaff easily, but since he isn't quite as strong as the mech, he'd have a hard time trying to beat up the Colossus. So...
Mega Man beats Gustaff
Gustaff beats Colossus
Colossus beats Mega Man
Like the original MM, you've got to know who to use to beat what! But that's just my take on it...
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Post by Aim on Sept 16, 2005 16:22:16 GMT -5
Yeah, that's right Dashe! High fives all around for the Tron fans! Megaman's lifter doesn't pack that kind of power, huh?  Hrmm... you do still see, however, that when the Gustaff uproots and hurls the pylons, they explode upon connecting with its face, rather than simply bouncing back off. This shows that they really can't be that durable, so maybe the only purpose of uprooting them was to get some preliminary damage on the Collosus's head. It seems like if they are that easily destructible, the Gustaff could have simply blown them up without uprooting... |
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Post by Dashe on Sept 20, 2005 18:22:03 GMT -5
Yeah, that's right Dashe! High fives all around for the Tron fans! Megaman's lifter doesn't pack that kind of power, huh? Hrmm... you do still see, however, that when the Gustaff uproots and hurls the pylons, they explode upon connecting with its face, rather than simply bouncing back off. This shows that they really can't be that durable, so maybe the only purpose of uprooting them was to get some preliminary damage on the Collosus's head. It seems like if they are that easily destructible, the Gustaff could have simply blown them up without uprooting... So what you're saying is, a big strong mech like the Gustaff would have to uproot and chuck the pylons at the Colossus's head, since just blowing them up wouldn't do enough preliminary damage to it, right? Even then, Mega Man wouldn't be able to throw the pylons that far without getting smashed or crushed or shot at by something. The heaviest thing I've seen him lift is a Zakoban, assuming Zakobans are heavier than pigs and/or Appo or Dah. So thus, the Gustaff (or similar mech) is crucial to defeating the Colossus. |
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Post by Aim on Sept 20, 2005 21:41:38 GMT -5
True dat! High fives again!!! Ouch.  Yes, I definately believe the Gustaff was better suited to defeating it than Megaman would have been. However, it also seems that the pylons can't do that much to him if they are destroyed so easily. But, er, I can't really gather my thoughts here. I agree with you, it just seems as though the Colossus just didn't have the potential of a last defense or carbon-destruction reaverbot. |
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Post by Star General on Oct 30, 2005 22:38:51 GMT -5
The collosus wasn't built to be controlled by a carbon, it was built to be controlled by a hig-class member of the system. Its sole purpose is to protect any who threaten the system, the ancients probably assumed that only memebrs of the system had the resources neccesary to attain the refractor.
Megaman's gadgets certainly could have defeated it, but im not sure he carries the amount of armor neccesary to destroy it. he did defeat Sera didnt he? Im pretty sure the collosus is merely a machine, and not a reaverbot.
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Post by Teisel Bonne on Oct 31, 2005 17:33:17 GMT -5
why in the world would they have created Trigger to be so much more powerful than the Colossus? It just doesn't fit together... trigger is a purifier unit, his job is to destroy ANY abberant units of the system, therefore if a high level system unit malfunctioned, trigger would have to be strong enough to destroy it |
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Post by pitch on Oct 31, 2005 17:40:18 GMT -5
That plus, Carbons live in an age where the development of weapons capable of taking out system units is a requirement for survival, and therefore, such means have been discovered.
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