A Matter of Canonicity...

[Tron Bonne Art]

Dec 5, 2011 11:19:30 GMT -5 Pixxel Papa said:

I don't see why they wouldn't be considered canon. They were created, publicized to a degree, and there was enough substance behind the characters to give them a place in the storyline. If they were just concept art and nothing more, or something similar that was lacking substance, then I could see why people would not consider them canon. Considering the game hasn't even been made in full yet, there's quite a bit of development behind these characters.

THIS THIS THIS^ seriously though. I don't see how they WOULDN'T be canon. I think they're too well developed even if they aren't in a released game. Besides their designs are awesome. :3 it's also not like they weren't going to be canon anyways.

[Avegodro]

I myself will consider them canon, they were in the prototype (even though we didn't get it ) and we got to 'know' them. To much work was put into them for them not to be considered canon.

[Chaotic Chao]

I'm convinced that they're canon. Of course, their "canonicity" doesn't really take effect until Legends 3 is revived, since nothing has really happened yet for them to exist in an as of now non-existent storyline...

Let's just say that they exist, but are on a break from doing anything. =p

[TronBonne]

In my mind, Aero and Barrett are totally canon. But is everything new that was revealed about the Legends universe/about MML3PV supposed to suddenly become non-canon now after the cancellation? Like even the existence of Klickelan Island itself? Or the whole swapping of body parts for mechanical parts thing? I’m trying to forget about that one though, since I still have such a hard time with it. :09:

[SketchMan3]

Dec 22, 2011 0:39:24 GMT -5 TronBonne said:

In my mind, Aero and Barrett are totally canon. But is everything new that was revealed about the Legends universe/about MML3PV supposed to suddenly become non-canon now after the cancellation? Like even the existence of Klickelan Island itself? Or the whole swapping of body parts for mechanical parts thing? I’m trying to forget about that one though, since I still have such a hard time with it. :09:

The swapping of body parts made perfect sense to me, even from when I first played the game. With Megaman I assumed it was because he was a special being, not necessarily "human", and could just do stuff like that. But for everyone else, It was the only way to explain people like Teisel, Bon, and Barrell. I was sure that, this being the future, cybernetics and bionics had advanced to a great degree, and especially after hearing about what was happening in ZX with humans and reploids growing more similar to each other through artificial enhancements/limitations. And the fact that the current inhabitants of the world were artificial humans to begin with..., which, IMO means humans/reploids found a way to create self-replicating organic reploids (and, in effect, reploid sexuality) thus essentially combining the reploids and humanity into one new race/species, before they abandoned the earth altogether.

Come to think of it... if Megaman fights to keep the original humanity from being revived, just to preserve a few thousand (million?) carbons, is he truuly a hero hero or is he an anti-hero, due to the fact that he's essentially an enemy of "us", the original humans?

Wait... does that mean Sigma ultimately won? The earth now belongs to "reploids", and the humans have been evicted, and essentially wiped out with the death of the master and the turning of human consciousness into cyber-elves/net navis?

Waaaaiiit... how did I get all that from "swapping body parts for mechanical parts"?

Sorry. Hehe.

BOT: The only thing I don't consider canon is that raccoon thing... :15:

[TronBonne]

Dec 22, 2011 1:27:07 GMT -5 SketchMan3 said:

It was the only way to explain people like Teisel, Bon, and Barrell. I was sure that, this being the future, cybernetics and bionics had advanced to a great degree, and especially after hearing about what was happening in ZX with humans and reploids growing more similar to each other through artificial enhancements/limitations. And the fact that the current inhabitants of the world were artificial humans to begin with...,

I can understand people having mechanical parts like Teisel or gramps, but I always thought their eyes were some sort of permanent surgery or something. But the ability to swap body parts out at will? I’m still confused as to whether Mega Man puts on a suit, or if he changes all of his body parts from the neck down to mechanical ones when he goes on a dig. Or if that information is even canon anymore. xD

[SketchMan3]

Dec 22, 2011 1:56:22 GMT -5 TronBonne said:

Dec 22, 2011 1:27:07 GMT -5 SketchMan3 said:

It was the only way to explain people like Teisel, Bon, and Barrell. I was sure that, this being the future, cybernetics and bionics had advanced to a great degree, and especially after hearing about what was happening in ZX with humans and reploids growing more similar to each other through artificial enhancements/limitations. And the fact that the current inhabitants of the world were artificial humans to begin with...,

I can understand people having mechanical parts like Teisel or gramps, but I always thought their eyes were some sort of permanent surgery or something. But the ability to swap body parts out at will? I’m still confused as to whether Mega Man puts on a suit, or if he changes all of his body parts from the neck down to mechanical ones when he goes on a dig. Or if that information is even canon anymore. xD

I know, right? That is weird. I always thought it was just his arms that were replaced, and the rest was just a suit. I didn't really put much thought into back then, though. Haha, what if Megaman is just a head? (Hmmm... I feel a fanart coming on... XD). That would explain Bon Bonne's situation. I've often wondered if his was a tragic tale that is better left untold.

What if he was actually an older brother who met with mortal tragedy, and so they preserved his mind as it had developed up to that point as best they could in a computer (Like Astro Boy), and that's why all he can say Babu. He's developmentally the youngest brother, but not chronologically (or mentally). That idea makes it a little easier for me to blow him up over and over again, even though I know the theory is totally untrue.


Haha, maybe when Megaman puts on his helmet, he's actually taking off his hair and replacing it with the helmet. ;D

[TronBonne]

Dec 22, 2011 2:15:25 GMT -5 SketchMan3 said:

Haha, maybe when Megaman puts on his helmet, he's actually taking off his hair and replacing it with the helmet. ;D

That's a theory I could have done without! xD That means he could change hair colour and style at will if he could just pop it off like that. He could have long, flowing hair to match his feminine voice from the second game. Maybe they can change voices too, and he wanted to sound more girlie in the second game. What's stopping them from having the kind of technology to change one's voice? Doesn't seem any more unlikely than swapping your whole body out.

[Adrian2040]

If Capcom started making MegaMan Legends 3 again, but scrapping Barrett, Aero and/or the whole story of the original Legends 3 production: Would you still consider both characters canon?

Also, if this new Legends 3 was also cancelled: Which storyline would you consider canon? (If any.)

[Mikéy]

I find the chances of that happening to be slim to none, rounded down. Whether they revive Legends 3 or not remains to be seen, and even if they did, they know more than well enough by now to not cancel it a second time. The pure thought is almost like trolling to me. "Which storyline?" "If they scrapped everything just to cancel it again?" Such silly questions... But, if you want an honest answer...

As far as canonicity for the second island, with the imaginary name of "Kricketope?" Along with... "Jarrett", "Sephira", "Gerald," "Tinker-Bell," "David," and "Evan" making up the new gang, (supposedly) called the "Glistering Frogs?" Sure! Let Klickelan and Kricketope join the Club of Canonicity, since Capcom (supposedly) cancelled the game twice. At least we know there's (supposedly) two more islands existing on Terra, with (supposedly) equally identical (or evil) twins.

(Hopefully Evil Roll winds up having a better personality.)

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On topic; the whole idea of switching limbs for mechanical parts did kinda... freak me out. But at the same time, I don't think Capcom was all that crystal-clear on the matter. I'm not sure how many people would be willing to saw? off an arm to replace it with a gun, but hey, to each his own. I'm still kinda convinced that everything slides on or off for some reason, because, like what's already been said, I can't imagine Megaman going through all of that time (and pain?) just to slip into his Apron for housework. Then again, they never said that's how things go with Megaman. So as far as the carbons go, I would expect Capcom meant people who have lost the original limb (that they were born with) in an accident of some sort... Heh.

I dunno. Supposedly they knew what they were talking about, and they were going to explain it along the way, but they kinda didn't, so it's still anyone's guess.

[SketchMan3]

Well, Megaman is a war machine to begin with.

[Mikéy]

That depends on how you look at it. Megaman was found in Nino's ruins as a baby. I wasn't aware that "machines" were capable of growth. We're still trying to figure out whether Megaman's pure cyborg, pure human, or a mix. There's a thread somewhere about that... But yeah. He used to be a "war machine," but he isn't anymore.

[Adrian2040]

Dec 22, 2011 16:10:16 GMT -5 Mikéy said:

I find the chances of that happening to be slim to none, rounded down. Whether they revive Legends 3 or not remains to be seen, and even if they did, they know more than well enough by now to not cancel it a second time. The pure thought is almost like trolling to me. "Which storyline?" "If they scrapped everything just to cancel it again?" Such silly questions... But, if you want an honest answer...

As far as canonicity for the second island, with the imaginary name of "Kricketope?" Along with... "Jarrett", "Sephira", "Gerald," "Tinker-Bell," "David," and "Evan" making up the new gang, (supposedly) called the "Glistering Frogs?" Sure! Let Klickelan and Kricketope join the Club of Canonicity, since Capcom (supposedly) cancelled the game twice. At least we know there's (supposedly) two more islands existing on Terra, with (supposedly) equally identical (or evil) twins.

(Hopefully Evil Roll winds up having a better personality.)

But you didn't answer my first question.

Basically: Would you still consider Barrett and Aero as canon if the second Legends 3 with the new storyline and characters was finished and released?

[Mikéy]

I must've missed that part of the question.

If Capcom officially erases Barrett and the Bright Bats from the storyline then yes, I'll gladly accept them as non-canon, even though they still would have been iconic figures in themselves for efforts to make the "official" Legends 3 actually happen.

[Benjamin]

Dec 22, 2011 15:33:51 GMT -5 Adrian2040 said:

If Capcom started making MegaMan Legends 3 again, but scrapping Barrett, Aero and/or the whole story of the original Legends 3 production: Would you still consider both characters canon?

If they started making it again and scrapped everything that they already have, I'd call them idiots openly to their face. With that said, I think it's already a foregone conclusion where production on this game lies as far as Capcom is concerned. Now, as for Inafune's company, I'm willing to bet that he's watching Capcom closely. If there's any chance he can swipe the rights, he'll likely do it, and if that happens we know that he'd likely keep all that's already been done.

I consider the stuff that we have about MML3 canonical.