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Post by Blues on Nov 30, 2011 19:47:10 GMT -5
So I was thinking about MML3:PV and some of the impact its had on the fandom. Fans often use characters like Aero and Barrett in fanart and other fan-related works. However, considering that the Prototype Version was never released, that technically makes the game currently non-canon to the MML timeline. So I ask, do you personally consider (what we know of) the events of the Prototype Version canon? And if so, why?
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Post by HF on Nov 30, 2011 19:53:51 GMT -5
I am personally able to see it either way; unless the presence of Aero and/or Barrett has a significant impact on the previous games' events (as unlikely as it is), I have no problems considering them part of the series given their official publicity.
The only thing to break the above rule is if they have been cast out of existence by the word of the producer(s).
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Post by Mikéy on Nov 30, 2011 21:08:08 GMT -5
Well totally! Why wouldn't they be considered canon after 10 years of endless waiting on the small patches of sanity that remain above the sea? They did come with the title Legends 3, didn't they? I don't see why they can't become a part of the gang. As far as my reasoning on the matter, I think it's partially because of the game getting canceled is all the more reason to actually consider them canon, and partially due to the implied fact that they've got just as much spotlight as Megaman right now, if not more.
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Post by Dashe on Nov 30, 2011 22:25:14 GMT -5
I think they'd be pretty hard to pretend they never existed at this point, so yeah, I'd call 'em canon.
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Post by Adrian2040 on Dec 1, 2011 0:17:37 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how much it hurt, the game was never released. Thus, both Aero and Barrett can't be considered canon at all. Simple as that.
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Post by Mikéy on Dec 1, 2011 1:50:16 GMT -5
Blues said that in his first post. Rather than repeat what's already been said, give some input next time. Although the prototype might be held hostage in a safe at this moment in time, the fact that it exists is enough in my mind for the Bright Bats to be considered canon. We all know that the only common-sense way that Megaman is going to get down is via Rocket, since we can see the Xth attempt in the Prototype, and the 10th attempt at the end of Legends 2, obviously. It's also obvious that Tron and Roll are going to need help and/or are going to run into trouble along the way, and bam, there they are. Bright Bats. Whatever happens next is non-canon. (Oh right, if Bloos is referring to all of the city-hopping missions as "events"... Then yeah, I'd kinda have to consider those non-canon, since it was a demo, after all. But the characters? Canon.)
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Post by WhiteWindow on Dec 1, 2011 4:37:25 GMT -5
They exist as characters who would have been part of the story. The fact that it went unreleased doesn't make it non-canon, it just makes it untold. Plenty of series end up only having planned endings, Those planned endings are still canon, they just don't exist as a full thing.
They'll be non-canon if we ever get a continuation of the series and they don't exist within it.
You can pretend that MML3 never existed and that MML2 was just an open ending. But I think Canon only matters when you talk about what the developer considers canon (since everyone has their own personal canon). And I think they do consider what would have been what should have been, still what is. We just sadly never got to see it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2011 8:39:34 GMT -5
I personally see all the characters, locations, etc. as canon; even though neither the Prototype nor Legends 3 were released as they are part of the story and would be in the game if it were ever released.
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Post by Adrian2040 on Dec 1, 2011 22:01:29 GMT -5
Some input... Got it! Aero and Barrett are as non-canon as any new character that might have appeared in Sonic Xtreme. Both were supposed to be mainstream games, but were finally cancelled. Obviously, the Sonic franchise continued. (With Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast as the Mainstream Continuation.) An example of a character from this game that could have been canon but is not anymore would be Tiara Boobowski, which was going to be a playable character. (Though most Sonic fans I know would appreciate this. They seem to complain about there being too many characters.) Now here is something curious. Mass Effect 3 is going to include a mission that was cancelled from Mass Effect 2. In other words: this mission was going to be canon, then was cancelled and stopped being canon. However, it will be canon in the sequel. A source just in case: www.neoseeker.com/news/17886-mass-effect-3-sees-return-to-citadel-revives-canceled-mass-effect-2-mission/Something similar occurred with the first MegaMan Zero game. Originally, X was supposed to turn into a classic Utopia-Extreme-Searcher and try to wipe out imperfections, while Zero is actually revived. This is because X5 was supposed to be the last game. In fact, X5 had multiple endings and the one where X is fixed but he forgets all about Zero was supposed to be the canon one. However, X6 was made and the new canon ending was going to be the one where X continues to fight with the Z Saber. Inafune learned about this late in-development of MMZ, thus he had to change the story so Zero is re-awakened and X to actually be a copy reploid. Thus, the original canon storyline was not canon anymore and the same thing happened with the original canon ending of X5. And here is another similar, yet different thing. LucasArts was making Sam & Max 2 Freelance Police, but it was cancelled. However, from the ashes of the Lucasarts adventure game department rose Telltale Games, which bought the license of Sam & Max from LucasArts and then proceeded to develop and release Sam & Max 2 Freelance Department, except that it was re-made to be released in an episodic manner (One episode per month. Each episode holds one case which last like 8 hours and the every case ends up having one single criminal mastermind found and beaten in the last episode of the season.) as Sam & Max Save the World. What few people know is that the original Sam & Max 2 was going to feature a small dance cut-scene which was not found in Save the World. It's not a big deal, but we could say that "that" dance scene in particular is not canon anymore.
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Post by HF on Dec 1, 2011 22:11:16 GMT -5
@ Adrian2040: While interesting, you do realize that you didn't answer the topic question and went off on your own about other unrelated games.
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Post by Mikéy on Dec 1, 2011 23:07:54 GMT -5
Yeah... I'd kinda have to agree with HF. Plus, I can't say that I'm game-savvy enough to be able to follow your point, Adrian. Sorry. As far as the Legends timeline itself goes... Yeah. As of now, it's not going anywhere. Yet, it just wouldn't make sense to say that we haven't moved forward an inch. As long as the Bright Bats exist in a demo marked with the words "Legends 3" in the title, then they're completely canon in their own regard, even if it means being confined to the Prototype name. If you want to get technical, we can discuss Tinker. He didn't even make it into the Prototype, IIRC.
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Post by Dashe on Dec 1, 2011 23:58:52 GMT -5
A lot of it has to do with how the fanbase found out about these characters, too. The Bright Bats were highly (at least as far as the Devroom's circle of influence goes) publicized for anyone who was following the production to see, and we even got to find out a lot about their personalities and relationships with other characters. They gave us opportunity and likely even encouraged us to get attached, and the entire process wasn't typical for game development at all.
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Post by MegaTuga on Dec 3, 2011 18:18:47 GMT -5
It's kind of a gray area to me... I don't see them as canon charecters now but yet I can't help but feel they were actually very fitting. More than any OC's you migth have seen.
I really can't express my opinion on this one. But in the end a far as MML plot goes it's not canon. Period. The fans are free to do their bidding though.
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Post by Loken on Dec 5, 2011 0:45:31 GMT -5
I don't see any harm in calling them canon since they didn't really change anything. Barret could change alot of things considering the barret/barrel theory, though. As for if canceled games count: Fallout: Vanburen (original Fallout 3) is still considered canon even though it was cancelled, but the game also was almost completely done and added pages of fluff to the Fallout storyline that the fans loved. So really I'd say it depends on if the majority like the MML3PV story and characters or not
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Post by Pixxel Papa on Dec 5, 2011 11:19:30 GMT -5
I don't see why they wouldn't be considered canon. They were created, publicized to a degree, and there was enough substance behind the characters to give them a place in the storyline. If they were just concept art and nothing more, or something similar that was lacking substance, then I could see why people would not consider them canon. Considering the game hasn't even been made in full yet, there's quite a bit of development behind these characters.
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