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Post by Dragge on Jul 21, 2011 23:11:32 GMT -5
screwattack.com/blogs/Hard-News/Hard-News-072111-Ultimate-MvC3-Mega-Man-Legends-3-Star-Wars-ToRThe dude here blames the fans for getting involved in the first place. Well I'm completely disappointed. I still plan to get a 3DS but at least now I can wait til they bring it down $100. But still to can MML3 is just a terrible decision to make. I was really looking forward to the prototype and playing as Barrett. Heck I couldn't wait to scale walls and such and I bought the Nintendo Power mag just for that. I'm still a Legends fan no matter what happens with the series. This means that I can continue my fan-fic and go my way with it or somewhat start with this project and use the Prototype route (though we may never know just what the situations were). I still have the other games to look to (and MoTB once I find a copy that I don't have to order online). Well I hope capcom realizes what they've done and should they decide to revive the series someday I'll back them 100% but until then all I have right now are the memories of years past.
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Post by tominator on Jul 24, 2011 8:36:47 GMT -5
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Post by Cattoc C on Aug 12, 2011 10:28:22 GMT -5
I didn't know of this until today... crap >_> well, after watching the videos here and reading some comments, I'm afraid it is the fans...well, not us the fans, but everyone else who is not a fan. We're not even 100k people. For some reason, world doesn't like Legends... can't be helped, it is true that MML barrely has any fans compared to other MMs. Luckily, Inafune no longer answers to Capcom, so there is still hope... as long there's people like us the fans or people like the dev team and Keiji who made the game. Generally, as long the MML got a single person that loves it, there is still hope.
Now those reasonable and responsible among you must think it's fairytale talk, but in fact... I dont know about you: BUT I INTEND ON GETTING RICH. Honestly, I do... so once I do, I hope to be able to spare 15m on Inafune and the MML dev-team. I'm kinda sure most of them wouldn't mind leaving capcom. All it takes is 1 crazy person, so as long there's a single fan left, there's hope... that he's rich and crazy enough to do it.
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Post by Dashe on Aug 12, 2011 17:52:15 GMT -5
Cattoc, most facebook pages take years to get steam. Not everyone who's into Legends is on the Internet at all times looking up gaming news like it's the most important thing in the world. The fact that this one managed to break 40,000 in under a month is actually very good...it's just important that word gets out about Mega Man Legends. Especially to people who'd have liked the game but never knew it existed, the sort who're tired of just seeing gritty shooters getting the attention all the time.
Keep working at getting rich, too! Inafune's going to have to probably buy the Mega Man IP from Capcom at this point if he wants to work on Legends himself. In the meantime, while you're mowing lawns and playing the stock market to rack up that cash, make sure to get more people in the know. That's the best way to keep Legends relevant.
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Post by Raijin on Aug 12, 2011 23:24:54 GMT -5
Now those reasonable and responsible among you must think it's fairytale talk, but in fact... I dont know about you: BUT I INTEND ON GETTING RICH. Honestly, I do... so once I do, I hope to be able to spare 15m on Inafune and the MML dev-team. I'm kinda sure most of them wouldn't mind leaving capcom. All it takes is 1 crazy person, so as long there's a single fan left, there's hope... that he's rich and crazy enough to do it. Keep working at getting rich, too! Inafune's going to have to probably buy the Mega Man IP from Capcom at this point if he wants to work on Legends himself. In the meantime, while you're mowing lawns and playing the stock market to rack up that cash Something I thought about a while back, dunno if it's been brought up yet: A few people have been concocting schemes to raise funds and put the money into making MML3 somehow, be it donating to Capcom, or buying the rights to Megaman... How about actually becoming an influential voice in Capcom's direction? Become an investor. Buy up shares in Capcom until eventually one of us (A few of us? Many of us?) has enough control over the company that our demands go right to the top. Capcom likely cares more about pleasing its investors than pleasing its fans, so let's try literally taking over so the investors are the fans. We might stand to lose money then if MML3 flops and puts us in the red again, but for some of us it would be worth it. I actually don't know much about investing. Just a broad concept that may not apply in this situation, but buying Capcom out through their stocks seems as plausible, if not more, than amassing a personal fortune to take control of MML3 directly.
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Post by Loken on Aug 12, 2011 23:30:51 GMT -5
It's a great idea, assuming one of us gets rich . I don't think that we could pull together enough money otherwise. That being said a single share isn't too much money, I own a very small share of Walmart.
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Post by Dashe on Aug 13, 2011 0:13:27 GMT -5
Correction: Capcom definitely cares about pleasing its investors more than pleasing its fans. Haruhiro Tsujimoto, who assumed presidency of the company in 2007, put it first and foremost in the interview he gave for his company profile. Though he mentions the consumer stakeholder group afterward, the fact that he put the shareholders first, especially if he were speaking off the cuff even a little, is a bit of a disappointment. Interestingly enough, although Kenzo Tsujimoto doesn't really mention any Capcom games in his bio, his son claims to have an emotional connection to Resident Evil. And unfortunately, none of the non-Tsujimoto board members have any sort of background information available to my knowledge. If we did all buy stock in Capcom, we'd have to find out who the biggest shareholders are and how much they've invested into the company, because that's who we'd have to top. Usually businesses judge the worth of their shareholders by the total percentage of a company an individual has invested in it. If every one of the six hundred or so Legends Station members bought a few shares of Capcom stock, unless it were all purchased under the Legends Station name as a single entity (or unless one of us were genuinely loaded and invested a ton), it wouldn't make much of an impact. (And if it weren't on a hypothetical donation system, then whoever's in charge of playing the stock market on behalf of all of us would need to be able to return the share money to the individuals who put it into the pot should we collectively decide to sell afterward). Even then, and we're talking a strictly hypothetical situation here, we'd probably want to wait it out a bit until the cost of shares drops. I honestly can't see Capcom doing too well with all the vitriol surrounding Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3's sudden release, Legends 3's cancellation, Ace Attorney Investigations 2's lack of localization, and the DmC reboot, not to mention any other questionable moves they make down the line. At the very least, their stock theoretically shouldn't increase after such a series of blunders, unless there's some other kind of moneymachine they've got running on the side that we don't know about. Buy low, sell high, take a piece of the pie: That's the Wall Street Way.
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Post by Loken on Aug 13, 2011 0:26:18 GMT -5
Well, if we are 'lucky' and the stock market crashes we can buy alot of shares cheap .
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Post by Dashe on Aug 13, 2011 1:02:33 GMT -5
That's a double-edged sword there, though, because if Capcom's stock dips too low, they run the risk of completely going out of business, meaning there'd definitely be no chance of getting Legends 3, much less buying loads of stock in it in order to convince the execs to make it happen. EDIT: Every non-organizational shareholder in Capcom's top ten is a Tsujimoto. The rest of the top shareholders appear to be banks. As of now, Capcom stock costs thirty dollars a share, and the highest-investing Tsujimoto, who appears to be female based on the name, has 2,391 shares. If I had to take a guess at it, I'd pin her as Kenzo's wife. The #1 shareholder is a bank with almost 6,700 shares. To outbuy Misako Tsujimoto, right this instant, in terms of Capcom stock would cost approximately $71,760.00, and could be reached if every member of 100,000 Strong for Bringing Back Mega Man Legends 3 put two dollars into the hypothetical pot. To become the #1 shareholder right this instant would require an investment of approximately $200,670.00. In order to reach this, every member of 100,000 Strong would have to put in five dollars. To become the #10 shareholder and just make it into the top ten would take $31,770.00, or a $1 donation from every member of 100k Strong. Combined, all five top shareholding Tsujimotos have 9,159 shares between them, worth $274,770. This does not include any additional Tsujimotos who may not have made the top ten. It would take $7 from each 100k member to outbuy all of the combined Tsujimotos in the top ten. If we calculated based on registered MMLS members instead of 100k members, it would cost each person (out of 644 total) somewhere between $50 to make top ten, and $427 to outbuy the combined Tsujimotos. However, the odds of every member of 100,000 Strong doing anything other than uniformly liking the Facebook page is pretty unlikely. At the very least, it'd beat collecting 15 million dollars. And, as stated previously, the stock market is not static, and everything could be very different later on--whether it's a good different or a bad different is up in the air for now, but judging from their recent decisions I can't see them doing as well, at least selling games, in the near future.
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Post by tominator on Aug 13, 2011 11:22:58 GMT -5
While it would be cool to have controlling interest in Capcom and have them answerable to the fans I unfortunately think it would take more money (lots more) that Dashe's rundown.
It just seemed like just north of 200k would be petty change for a bank and hard to believe that that little money would buy controlling interest in a company the size of Capcom. Plus 6,700 stocks doesn't seem like that much.
So looking at their investment page I see that Dashe is unfortunately off by a factor of 1000. The numbers for stocks owned they give are in thousands. So the The Master Trust Bank of Japan has around 6,700 thousand shares, or 6.7 million shares. At the $30 market value that's $200 million in shares. The combined Tsujimotos will have around $275 million in shares with 9.2 million shares.
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Post by Chiz on Aug 13, 2011 11:56:26 GMT -5
Something I thought about a while back, dunno if it's been brought up yet: A few people have been concocting schemes to raise funds and put the money into making MML3 somehow, be it donating to Capcom, or buying the rights to Megaman... How about actually becoming an influential voice in Capcom's direction? Become an investor. Buy up shares in Capcom until eventually one of us (A few of us? Many of us?) has enough control over the company that our demands go right to the top. Show your support by, instead of donating to a charity, buying some CoJ (NOT CoA) stock. That way, you can have some meaningful (although minimal) say on what happens regarding the company. If enough STOCKHOLDERS get together and say "Hey, you know what you should do..." it's almost a sure thing. Really, the only sure-fire way we can get Capcom to do this or that is to start buying in chunk by chunk until we have enough pieces of it that we have some clout with their higher-ups. I still agree with the solution, incidentally. If the current 42,000 fans on facebook each bought a share or two, combined, we'd have a slim say in what happens. Not a whole helluva lot, but a little. $29 USD buy-in per, though, so good luck with that. Can't even convince a bunch of people to sign up on a site for free.
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Post by Raijin on Aug 13, 2011 12:56:08 GMT -5
Hah, nice one Chiz. I was thinking about someone bringing that up in that last few weeks, didn't even consider you'd have arrived at the solution three years ago. At least I have more of an excuse for missing that (although not having the time to do anything more than skim most of the posts here in the last few weeks is probably a good excuse as well.)
I think I'll take the plunge at least. My own bank has been suggesting investing to me since I have a lot of savings to throw around. Thing is, I got my large savings by being ultra-frugal and shying away from tricky things like investments. I gotta decide if there are things worth throwing my money away on eventually, and I think the possibility of putting Megaman fans in charge of Capcom again is one of those things.
Just need to get in touch with my bank and find out what's involved, I guess.
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Post by Dashe on Aug 13, 2011 19:31:04 GMT -5
Damn, those are thousands of thousands of shares? Best to wait till it drops, in that case. >_< Unless Capcom's standard consumer is dumber than I think they are, it probably isn't going to stay this high in the near future. I certainly hope I'm not overestimating the average Street Fighter/MvC/RE fan's level of common sense.
If the DASH fans joined together and bought CoJ stock as one unit, it'd be a good idea to have an actual Japanese representative for the fanbase in charge. It'd probably give us more sway if someone local, who could actually attend and understand their shareholder meetings, could make these requests.
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Post by sigma on Aug 30, 2011 18:23:50 GMT -5
If there is a guy with the possible money to take out a small chunk of Capcom, it would be keiji inafune. But that happening is less likely than Pluto being re-declared a planet.
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Post by HF on Sept 1, 2011 19:47:19 GMT -5
Damn, those are thousands of thousands of shares? Best to wait till it drops, in that case. >_< Unless Capcom's standard consumer is dumber than I think they are, it probably isn't going to stay this high in the near future. I certainly hope I'm not overestimating the average Street Fighter/MvC/RE fan's level of common sense. Tell that to their local Monster Hunter fans. That series appears to be the major* seller, even in Hong Kong. I am not quite sure how much of an impact it has made in countries outside Asia, so any input on this with be helpful to put things into perspective. * And by major, I mean a fraction large enough to be noticed on the streets beyond a massive advertising campaign.
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