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Post by lexzl on Sept 30, 2008 19:23:52 GMT -5
Well, because I'm too lazy to type it all over again, I'll post the OP of mine on the Capcom forums:
Please, don't have a heart attack. There's nothing to report on it. Does not exist. Yet.
My question here is, what would it take to get this title to... Well... Live?
Petitions for it's development have existed for as long as I can remember. Summarizing an article I read, the main issue seems to be money. Now, since Megaman 9's success, the franchise should be in a slightly better light than previously. It doesn't ensure profit from the game, but us fanboy's don't care too much about a company's revenues. Unfortunately =/.
I was throwing around an idea with a friend, more for fun than anything. But I decided to post it up somewhere and see what happens. Maybe someone with a little more initiative than me >>.
How about some type of fundraiser? Trustfund/Charity/etc. Whatever you like to call it. I'm sure it won't generate NEARLY enough money for the game to be developed. But maybe if some type of sizable goal is reached, Capcom will see that this is something we'd really like to come to fruition. It definitely goes beyond the petty e-petitions I've seen.
Again, it's just an idea. I wouldn't have any idea how to go about something like that. Humor me and tell me what you think about it internets.
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The conversation went on to state that we perhaps send a letter to capcom requesting permission to conduct some type of fundraiser, whereby they open an account the public can donate into and couple that letter, potentially, with some type of Viral Marketing flash video (That is, if we can find an artist).
Again, I'm a lazy shi--ll -_-; and this is all just some idea I'm throwing around. But since I know the Capcom boards are all but dead, I decided to post the idea on fansites. Take, my idea, make it your own, bring this game to life.
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Post by Pitch on Sept 30, 2008 19:42:53 GMT -5
Just about the "send Capcom a letter about it" idea, I don't think they could possibly agree to that, because they wouldn't want to imply that anything would actually come from it. Something or other about ambiguity. Possible legal complications in giving them money, too. It's an interesting idea, especially because any amount of money speaks more than a signature on a petition -- particularly an online one, full of terrible grammar as those things are.  It's a tad less personal than a nice, well-written letter, but the headline really grabs your attention, don't it?  If you could make that work out I'd say YES, that's a good idea, but it's got plenty of kinks; Capcom would have to acknowledge and accept it, but also you would have to convince people that the thing was legit. Anytime you ask someone for money to support a cause they'll be skeptical about it. There might be some other complications - legal again, perhaps? - to get around. Still, the nice thing about it is, the actual amount of money doesn't need to be terribly great; that fans organized well enough to raise just a nice amount should impress Capcom. It's a nice idea, but I kind of just doubt it will happen. I do like it, it's much more direct than the ways we've been "supporting" the idea of Legends 3 thus far. (e.g., buying the PSP ports or any game we can get our hands on with the even the smallest Legends cameo) I just can't help but think it won't pull through/if it does, Capcom will just give us the ol' brush off. "Yeah, that sounds like a good idea... ... ...why are you still here?" and.. yeah. |
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Post by lexzl on Sept 30, 2008 19:51:40 GMT -5
Just about the "send Capcom a letter about it" idea, I don't think they could possibly agree to that, because they wouldn't want to imply that anything would actually come from it. Something or other about ambiguity. Possible legal complications in giving them money, too. It's an interesting idea, especially because any amount of money speaks more than a signature on a petition -- particularly an online one, full of terrible grammar as those things are. It's a tad less personal than a nice, well-written letter, but the headline really grabs your attention, don't it? If you could make that work out I'd say YES, that's a good idea, but it's got plenty of kinks; Capcom would have to acknowledge and accept it, but also you would have to convince people that the thing was legit. Anytime you ask someone for money to support a cause they'll be skeptical about it. There might be some other complications - legal again, perhaps? - to get around. Still, the nice thing about it is, the actual amount of money doesn't need to be terribly great; that fans organized well enough to raise just a nice amount should impress Capcom. It's a nice idea, but I kind of just doubt it will happen. I do like it, it's much more direct than the ways we've been "supporting" the idea of Legends 3 thus far. (e.g., buying the PSP ports or any game we can get our hands on with the even the smallest Legends cameo) I just can't help but think it won't pull through/if it does, Capcom will just give us the ol' brush off. "Yeah, that sounds like a good idea... ... ...why are you still here?" and.. yeah. Yeah... On the other forum I said the donation needs to be BLATANTLY legitimate. No reason for people to question it. Though I don't have the slightest clue as to how to go about that. Legal issues could always be worked out. Buffed and Rebuffed until it works. But you rose a pretty good point. Capcom's indifference. Inafune never wanted to do projects like X6 but was denied ML3. In respect to that Capcom doesn't really care. Nevertheless, if anyone has the patience and contacts to go back and forth as to what CAN be done for a fundraiser to work, please, DO IT. |
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Post by Chiz on Oct 1, 2008 3:35:10 GMT -5
Please, don't have a heart attack. There's nothing to report on it. Does not exist. Eh... Ehhhh.... Summarizing an article I read, the main issue seems to be money. Now, since Megaman 9's success, the franchise should be in a slightly better light than previously. It doesn't ensure profit from the game, And the fact that MM9 looks like it was pulled off with a $5,000 budget (maybe $10,000 once you throw in company and staff luncheons at their favourite restaurants) means that the game is already in the black. It's like a cellphone game or iPhone app...it's almost pure profit. On the other hand, unless Capcom decided to retool the PSX games and release a 10-year-old-looking game on, say, the Playstation Network (which would only cost $50k-100k if they were to swing for more/new models and some new music) we really won't see anything for less than a couple million, which is too much money to "throw away" on what is literally a niche market. but us fanboy's don't care too much about a company's revenues. Eh... Ehhhh... How about some type of fundraiser? Trustfund/Charity/etc. Whatever you like to call it. I'm sure it won't generate NEARLY enough money for the game to be developed. Obviously. $15,000,000 USD is a goal that high-ranking, international charities raise in, like, a year. A small initiative amongst at best 30,000 people ...even giving $60 a pop (the average price of a new game), that's only $1,800,000, which is barely one tenth. Also, you're expecting everyone to give that much, regardless of financial stability, into a pot that they might never see any return (as it's really not a charity, but a high-risk investment). You couldn't even write it off tax-wise as a charity donation because it really wouldn't be a registered organization. But maybe if some type of sizable goal is reached, Capcom will see that this is something we'd really like to come to fruition. Or they could take the money and put it towards a "nice Rockman ZX sequel" instead. But as a sign of good faith, they'll put a token Servbot in the game as a cameo. And we'll all shut up for another couple months, because it's "obvious" that Capcom still remembers us  It definitely goes beyond the petty e-petitions I've seen. Of course, there's the whole problem of if they don't accept the money. What becomes of it then? How do you return it? If you don't return it, how will it be spent? How do we prevent the organizers from pocketing (any/all of) the money? The fact that we can't even do a petition right should be sign that we should stay as far away as possible from anything involving real money. Again, it's just an idea. I wouldn't have any idea how to go about something like that. Humor me and tell me what you think about it internets. Show your support by, instead of donating to a charity, buying some CoJ (NOT CoA) stock. That way, you can have some meaningful (although minimal) say on what happens regarding the company. If enough STOCKHOLDERS get together and say "Hey, you know what you should do..." it's almost a sure thing. Really, the only sure-fire way we can get Capcom to do this or that is to start buying in chunk by chunk until we have enough pieces of it that we have some clout with their higher-ups. EDIT: Capcom Co LTD's (ID: 9697) stock on the Toyko Stock Exchange for ¥2,905 (approx. $27.43) a share. (link) |
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Post by Pitch on Oct 1, 2008 10:14:27 GMT -5
MegaMan ZX 3 would be nice. (Got to get Inti away from Classic MegaMan  ) .. but seriously, MegaMan ZX and MegaMan ZXA were both very solid good fun. Not even a little part of me would be against the idea of a threequel. ‘Barely’ by a margin of $300,000 is not barely at all.. Especially when it's over one-tenth. But hey, that buying stock thing is nice; if you organized the same people to buy $1,800,000 in stock (roughly 65,621 shares) we could really get something done. |
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Post by Chiz on Oct 1, 2008 13:59:41 GMT -5
(paraphrase) Barely my ---! Okay, okay, maybe 'barely' wasn't the right term. "Clearly over, but still sufficiently close to 10% as opposed to 15% as to warrant rounding down to 10% and not rounding up to 15%" is more accurate, but just too long  But hey, that buying stock thing is nice; if you organized the same people to buy $1,800,000 in stock (roughly 65,621 shares) we could really get something done. Yup...65 thousand shares out of (and I believe I'm reading the graph correctly) 67,395,000 shares total...we'd own, as a group, just under 1% of the company...which...well, we'd get a nice message on company letterhead dismissing our ideas as opposed to an automated message telling us to shove off Beggars can't be choosers. *puts down $55 for 2 shares* |
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Post by Pitch on Oct 1, 2008 14:47:48 GMT -5
Just under 1% Ownership and just comfortably over 10% of the “cost of the game” are considerably impressive as fan efforts, though.. you've got to think of the context of the situation. ..on the other hand, that is the absolute best case scenario.. yeah, you win.  |
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Post by lexzl on Oct 1, 2008 23:07:00 GMT -5
Well since the original idea is out the window, SMEAR campaign! Hope Capcom does terribly. Stocks fall. Buy stocks when we can achieve 2%. ????? PROFIT!
Alright but on a serious note, capcom hasn't done much to impress me lately. I hope Dead Rising 2 is worth it. Otherwise, I'd have no reason to care what they make. Then a little piece of me will die inside. Also a little piece of my bank account will live (until Atlus pumps out the good stuff)
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Post by Chiz on Oct 9, 2008 23:11:10 GMT -5
If anyone took that stock idea seriously, CoJ's stocks are now down to 2280Y (roughly $23) now. Really can't say if it's a good time to buy or not, seeing how the stock dropped wildly recently (along with a whole lot of other stuff) |
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Post by Esotropia on Oct 25, 2008 14:50:41 GMT -5
If we were going to do the fundraiser thing, we would have to tell Capcom about it so that they will at least accept the money.
It's obvious Inafune wants to do it. I'm so sure he's just being denied by Capcom because he's got really big ideas about this and they have to pay for any Legends project. That's why he keeps sprinkling cameos in every Capcom game that's been released, actually there are probably 2 reasons for it.
1) to convince Capcom of how much he wants to do this, and how big the fanbase is.
2) to make more fans while showing old fans that he's still fighting for us.
Capcom needs to stop doing crap for crap games (Dead Rising: Chop Till' You Drop, with controls and graphics that make Frank look and feel like a zombie), and start making games that fans will actually enjoy playing.
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Post by Pitch on Oct 25, 2008 15:14:14 GMT -5
Nah, Inafune just says that he would like to make it; between being asked about DASH 3, I doubt he ever gives it much thought.
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Post by betaman on Oct 25, 2008 23:32:53 GMT -5
If we were going to do the fundraiser thing, we would have to tell Capcom about it so that they will at least accept the money. It's obvious Inafune wants to do it. I'm so sure he's just being denied by Capcom because he's got really big ideas about this and they have to pay for any Legends project. That's why he keeps sprinkling cameos in every Capcom game that's been released, actually there are probably 2 reasons for it. 1) to convince Capcom of how much he wants to do this, and how big the fanbase is. 2) to make more fans while showing old fans that he's still fighting for us. Capcom needs to stop doing crap for crap games (Dead Rising: Chop Till' You Drop, with controls and graphics that make Frank look and feel like a zombie), and start making games that fans will actually enjoy playing. Supposedly the only reason Legends was 3d was because when capcom asked sony to make megaman for the playstation, they said yes on the condition that they have a 3d megaman game. And how do you know how 'Chop 'Til You Drop' plays? It hasn't even come out yet. |
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Post by Pitch on Oct 26, 2008 9:53:43 GMT -5
And that's also why Rockman and Forte was released for SNES rather than Playstation, despite MegaMan 8's Playstation release. But that's really neither here nor there; there had to be something to Legends, considering Capcom followed it up and down with Legends 2 and Misadventures respectively. Ugh.. I've owned Dead Rising for nearly a year and I still haven't played it. It's hard to get into a game when the text is completely unreadable...  |
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Post by betaman on Oct 26, 2008 15:04:48 GMT -5
Standard definition eh? I feel your pain.
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