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Post by TronBonne on Aug 28, 2005 0:38:11 GMT -5
I was recently thinking of Legends when "Joe" came to mind. If he really is Roll's dad, wouldn't that cause some conflicts? I thought when he went to Yosyonke he got together with the bartender who had a daughter. So he has a whole new family right there....but what about his "old" family(Roll and Matilda..)? And if I recall correctly doesn't the old man say Joe left with the bartender and her daughter to a new place to start a new life after the scene where he drops the family photo? So...what I'm trying to ask here is if he's really Roll's dad...he has two families? Each family with one wife and one daughter? At the same time?
Oh, but maybe Matilda doesn't count anymore because of Yuna taking over her body and all....but she should still count. I'm sorry, all of this is just a bunch of jumbled up questions and thoughts...but I really don't know how to put all of that into one nice, clean paragraph. XD
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Post by Dashe on Aug 28, 2005 1:11:15 GMT -5
He probably left because he didn't want to see Roll and Mega Man again after (?) getting his memory back (though I'm not quite sure he did get all of it). I think maybe the realization that he's cheating (?) on his wife (wives?) made him panic a little, even if it wasn't exactly his fault, per se, so he did the only thing he could--run away from Yosyonke and try to forget about everything again.
Hopefully if there is a sequel the issue will be resolved in some way...
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Post by Santa Melty on Aug 28, 2005 1:16:41 GMT -5
Banner/Joe wasn’t married to the bartender, so he technically is not part of their family. Rather, the bartender and her daughter took care of him after that deathwalk into Forbidden Island. They consider him part of their family, but he and the bartender/daughter aren’t related. So, that settles that bit.
As for Matilda, she is principally still his wife, although he likely doesn’t remember much of her, and if he does, he probably took her for dead, hence him moving off, which he likely would have done either way due to his health. It’s possible that he simply abandoned the hope of finding them, since he did seem to recall Roll during that nifty little cutscene in the hotel. So perhaps he really is just a nasty, horrible old man, but that doesn’t mean he has two families.
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Post by pitch on Aug 28, 2005 9:06:57 GMT -5
My speculations about this matter have no evidence whatsoever, so I won't post them.
I'd question whether Joe actually is Banner, but I somehow doubt that would happen, since it would ruin the total dramatic effect thing going on. The Banner in the photo and the Joe in Yosyonke look kinda different. But then of course if Joe's not Banner, who is? Too many unanswered questions.
As for why Joe would just disappear.. I personally think Capcom just did that to give players some reason to want a sequel. Of course plotwise that doesn't mean anything.
It's hard to say whether or not he even knows Matilda's still "alive", since eventually he recognized Roll. Were he to be watching the TV broadcast of the expedition to Forbidden Island - he doesn't strike me as much of a TV watcher, but he definitely was obsessed with Forbidden Island - I'd say it's safe to say he knows, but again, no proof.
But then of course, I assume right of the bat that he does know. And that he recognized Roll right off the bat as well. Because, in a way, it all fits together. Assuming Joe built the Dropship to go to Forbidden Island to find Matilda that is. Roll would obviously have that same idea in mind, wanting the Dropship, and MegaMan proves to be a bit more ablebodied than Joe, taking down the Reaver in Yosyonke. Reason enough for Joe to help them out if you ask me.
So why's he disappear at the end then? While I still personally think that he and Matilda talked before he left(we never do see where Yuna goes after Forbidden Island), I shpose it would make sense, since Forbidden Island had been cleaned out already, that he felt it was time to move on.
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Post by Teisel Bonne on Sept 5, 2005 15:14:22 GMT -5
Nobody but megaman, not even roll and barryl barrel understood the yuna/matilda mix up, so banner/joe would have probably thought he was going mad or something, and took time off to get his head together
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Post by pitch on Sept 5, 2005 16:26:28 GMT -5
It's Barr el. This ain't battle network. And didn't Yuna explain it to them while MegaMan was unconscious?
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Post by Teisel Bonne on Sept 6, 2005 14:05:38 GMT -5
Oops, i forgot about that , even so, banner/joe wouldnt have understood
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Post by alpha on Sept 13, 2005 8:04:24 GMT -5
When I first played it. I thought Joe was a completly different person.
If Joe was Banner (which we don't know exactly) don't ya think he would of remember that by the time Megaman and Roll came back to Yosyonke?
*Sigh* The many mysteries of Capcom.
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Post by pitch on Sept 13, 2005 15:38:26 GMT -5
I would think that seeing Roll may've jogged his memory. iirc, Joe woke up on the outskirts of Yosyonke with the plans for a dropship in his hands, and no memory of what had happened, and then he spent the ten years building a dropship so he could get to Forbidden Island and get to the bottom of things. You may not have noticed this, but Roll is like the spitting image of Banner in the picture, which Joe has. I'd say that its safe to say, he could manage to draw the connection, seeing Roll.
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Post by alpha on Sept 14, 2005 11:14:30 GMT -5
Well, Capcom makes it all so confusing. His name was Banner but they changed it Joe. I liked Banner's name better. ;D
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Post by pitch on Sept 14, 2005 15:43:57 GMT -5
Joe is a prettty generic name, and considering that if he had amnesia he probably wouldn't remember his name, that's probably why people go around calling him Joe.
That or Capcom slipped up, as the only real mention of his name was in Barrel's journal in MML1, no?
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Post by TronBonne on Sept 14, 2005 18:01:21 GMT -5
Well I think any person could have connected the dots if they were in Joe's situation. I honestly think he at least knows he's Roll's dad since he has the picture and all....
And if it were up to me I would have started calling him Lassie and told him he was a talking dog. >_>;;
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Post by Aim on Sept 14, 2005 19:53:12 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned yet the possibility that Joe had known who Roll was from the beginning? Is there any evidence against it? I can't really remember. Anyways, if not, it's always possible that Joe did not want to directly confront his daughter, especially considering that metal arm. You never actually see under his coat, but it's possible more of him was replaced by that in some sort of horrible accident while digging, and he did not want to expose her to that sort of trauma. Or, at least, I assume that's why so many diggers have those metal parts.
Actually, it's all kind of unimportant if there was evidence. I really can't recall.
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Post by pitch on Sept 14, 2005 21:17:09 GMT -5
That's actually been brought up somewhere else before, if I remember correctly(not that I'd expect you to know that). While it's definitely possible, and it wouldn't surprise me at all(in fact, I personally believe he knows from the time he lets them use the dropship), but yeah it really doesn't matter.
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Post by cidhighwind on Oct 5, 2005 2:29:36 GMT -5
Did that ever happen? I recently played MML2 (To be exact, about 10 minutes ago) and Yuna does explain it to Megaman, but I assumed they were in "Megaman's Mind" you could sa with all those flashy things, even Yuna says it. And so, the people outside (Barrel, Roll, etc) wouldn't have heard it, and known anything about it.
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