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Post by Dashe on Jul 29, 2015 23:00:19 GMT -5
Now we just have to hope it doesn't end up getting funded with seedy drug money or anything like that! Imagine that, Red Ash getting canceled because Fuze's funds were actually tied some Chinese meth cartel. I'd totally buy a book about that.
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Post by 50percentjoe on Jul 29, 2015 23:16:07 GMT -5
UE4, as with every UE upgrade, will have more options for particle and physics effects, as well as texture streaming. The overall hope is that it will create a more visually pleasant game. UE3 is still pretty darn good though, so honestly if you're an indi dev, you could totally look forward to UE3 getting cheaper with the advent of UE4.
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Post by kire-kitsune on Jul 30, 2015 3:18:12 GMT -5
Well, that update really pepped me up. I have been really worried about this project from the word go but it looks like it's happening. For now. FUZE seems...eeehhhh. But it could be a lot worse. I just hope this happens.
It may not be MML3, but, in a way that might be a good thing. Complete creative freedom for Inafune and company. Hell, the first thing he did was make Beck red-like he wanted to do for Megaman back when he made Zero. I don't really get all the backlash he gets. I understand where it came from, mind, but it's all fairly childish. I hope that drama doesn't get in the way.
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Post by scygoku on Jul 30, 2015 4:52:00 GMT -5
^_^ really glad to hear its funded, though would be nice if we reach $800k so they can make extra content. >.> and whats this crap people keep taking about Comcept is just after more money, sure it will be funded but if you want extra content then I doubt FUZE would fund the full game, 2 ports AND bonus content. Sure the campaign has had its issues and the timing wasn't anywhere near optimal but Comcept have been doing plenty in response to comments :/
They most likely were in talks with FUZE already since having a developer added a fair bit(DLC,subtitles) not to mention they can keep the IP with them. Rather than have them appear later in development resulting in an unexpected delay (for FREE content + tonnes of languages) that got so many people whining.
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Post by Aiyumi on Jul 30, 2015 7:32:07 GMT -5
Woah, Raven, I don't know what happened to Bean's post, but nice catch! I deleted it when I started to look who FUZE is. They seem like a shady company judging by their page. What's the issue with FUZE? My screen reader fails to read their site. They most likely were in talks with FUZE already since having a developer added a fair bit(DLC,subtitles) not to mention they can keep the IP with them. Huh? DLC and subtitles? What? Where?
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Post by Raijin on Jul 30, 2015 10:09:01 GMT -5
I dragged my heels in backing this, and when I finally got around to it last night it almost seems like bad timing.
It's not really Legends to me, and I feel kinda iffy encouraging it. The concept of Mega Man that MN9 reclaims is a more general thing that's suitable for reinvention, but MML has always been about its specific characters and story that an ersatz version isn't going to replace in my heart. At the end of the day, Volnutt's still stuck on the moon.
But I'm still hungry for the aesthetic. I may cringe a bit with how closely it adheres in places, but I want to give it a chance. Now to see if it even has a chance.
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Post by Avegodro on Jul 30, 2015 10:10:31 GMT -5
Glad too hear that this has gotten the funding it needs, I chipped in for both kickstarters. Have to see how this all plays out down the road, should prove to be interesting if FUZE is shady.
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Post by Aiyumi on Jul 30, 2015 12:54:41 GMT -5
I think Comcept should have waited until they'd finished revising the stretch goals before announcing that they got an investor. Now people are even more confused and saying things like, "Since the game was funded, this KS is pointless and I'll withdraw my pledge," or "What will happen to our money and our rewards if the KS doesn't reach the goal?" over and over again. It's not really Legends to me, and I feel kinda iffy encouraging it. The concept of Mega Man that MN9 reclaims is a more general thing that's suitable for reinvention, but MML has always been about its specific characters and story that an ersatz version isn't going to replace in my heart. Even though it's considered a "spiritual successor," I believe RED ASH isn't meant to actually replace anything. Not even the characters, since the animatic video already proved that their personalities and roles are very different from the Legends characters'. It'll have lots of funny references and things we can identify with because we've played Legends (like can-kicking, ruins infested with dangerous robots, lore and mysterious legendary "treasures"), but in the end, I think it'll have its specific characters and story too, and will be its own thing, not necessarily "better" or "worse" than Legends, and not a "copy" or a "replacement." I imagine RED ASH will have similarities to Legends but will be different at the same time, much like how most games from the Final Fantasy series follow the same (or nearly the same) concepts (gameplay elements, spells, references to other games in the series, etc.) but the story and characters of each game are completely unrelated. I believe RED ASH will be a whole new thing altogether, with the potential to entertain us and create new fond memories, in a similar way to how Legends did years ago, but never "replacing" anything. To me, both Legends and RED ASH deserve their own place, and should be kept separate. Unless we decide to write a Legends/RED ASH crossover fic, that is.
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Post by Dashe on Jul 30, 2015 13:40:41 GMT -5
What's the issue with FUZE? My screen reader fails to read their site. Apparently Fuze is a company that, in response to the recent ending of a ban on gaming in China that's been going on since 2000, wants to make consoles and bring back console gaming to the region, instead of just focusing on crappy mobile games. Now that I've realized there was an English tab and read it, I can actually see where they'd want to back Red Ash from this. Bunch of people who wanted to make games since they were kids, but couldn't because the government banned them for fifteen years. It's the kind of solidarity I'd have liked to see from the Shenmue fanbase, to be perfectly frank. It's not really Legends to me, and I feel kinda iffy encouraging it. The concept of Mega Man that MN9 reclaims is a more general thing that's suitable for reinvention, but MML has always been about its specific characters and story that an ersatz version isn't going to replace in my heart. At the end of the day, Volnutt's still stuck on the moon. But I'm still hungry for the aesthetic. I may cringe a bit with how closely it adheres in places, but I want to give it a chance. Now to see if it even has a chance. I'm not even looking at it as an ersatz version. I think that's why so many people who backed MN9 are unsatisfied with it--there's too much of a departure from Classic, even though it pretty much has to be, and even though Classic can be easily ersatzed. And that's why people didn't like Legends, either. They were expecting it to be something it wasn't. We should really support Red Ash for whatever it actually becomes, not because we're looking for connections to Legends 3. And what it is, is a bunch of really skilled creators who seem to have the same taste as we do making the kind of game they want, with no publisher restrictions and complete control over their own IP. It's like starting over from scratch. I certainly wouldn't want this game to be shoved under the rug because too many people tried it and wanted it to be more like Mega Man Legends than it actually turned out to be. That's what happened initially with the real Legends, remember? Knowing the developers' intentions, it'll probably be very good, people just have to look at it for what it is.
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Post by scygoku on Jul 30, 2015 14:04:07 GMT -5
Huh? DLC and subtitles? What? Where? @.@ I was referring to what Deep Silver provided for Mighty No 9, the Ray DLC and vast number of subtitle options. Sorry for not being clear.
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Post by Raijin on Jul 30, 2015 14:09:00 GMT -5
That's kinda what I'm saying. It ought to be more different. As it is, it's a bit too on the nose. We'd rather it be seen as its own thing, but you can't deny it's being marketed directly to people that want another Legends game. I can't act like that's not why it caught my interest though. Maybe I just want them to be more subtle about it.
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Post by satoh on Jul 30, 2015 14:42:13 GMT -5
That's kinda what I'm saying. It ought to be more different. As it is, it's a bit too on the nose. We'd rather it be seen as its own thing, but you can't deny it's being marketed directly to people that want another Legends game. I can't act like that's not why it caught my interest though. Maybe I just want them to be more subtle about it. Let me clarify something about being too similar, but still too different. When Inafune says he "still has a story he wants to tell" referring to MML, he isn't talking about "the ending to that story about those characters" he's talking about "the setting where a group of relatively ordinary people live in a ramshackle society and have to fight ancient robotic horrors just to get by" The premise is exactly the same, yet the characters some people will only be satisfied by, are missing. This is still "the same story" because the important part was never really the characters. The characters were just incidentally something people latched onto. If you put the same characters in a different setting, the story wouldn't be remotely the same. As much as I love the original MML characters, as much as no "MML" titled story could ever satisfy me without them... If I had to choose between the characters and the setting, the setting wins. The setting was the only really unique thing it had. Its being marketted to people who loved MML, not just people who want another one in the same series... and I think its kind of unreasonable for people to be treating it "as an MML game" at all. It never was. It never would have been. It never can be. MML is dead. Buried. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust. Red Ash is the child of MML. It is the successor, but it is not its own progenitor. No one here is their own father or mother, just as Red Ash is not MML... but it certainly inherits from it.
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Post by Dashe on Jul 30, 2015 15:20:26 GMT -5
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Post by Aiyumi on Jul 30, 2015 20:56:07 GMT -5
Huh? DLC and subtitles? What? Where? @.@ I was referring to what Deep Silver provided for Mighty No 9, the Ray DLC and vast number of subtitle options. Sorry for not being clear. Ah, okay. I get it now. Since you had only mentioned FUZE, I got "conFUZEd." Should we start worrying... already?
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Post by scygoku on Jul 31, 2015 4:29:52 GMT -5
@.@ I was referring to what Deep Silver provided for Mighty No 9, the Ray DLC and vast number of subtitle options. Sorry for not being clear. Ah, okay. I get it now. Since you had only mentioned FUZE, I got "conFUZEd." I forsee many people quoting that phrase. The stretch goals have been announced! /posts/1310147 A Challenge Dungeon, Playable Tyger, Call and Gofer Village Reconstruction if we reach $800k
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