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Mar 12, 2014 15:19:32 GMT -5
Post by blayze16 on Mar 12, 2014 15:19:32 GMT -5
I really have to say. No Disney song touched me as warmly as "Let It Go" in years. I think the last one was that talent show song in High School Musical 2 (and Breaking Free as well in the original). I liken it to a more touching version of that snow mountain scene in "Rise of the Guardians", which I can kinda relate to. I wasn't even looking forward to watching this flick. The only thing I had to say about it at first is that they are using the "Tangled models/textures" (which they also used in Wreck-It-Ralph) and I personally see them as something that's just a bit off. Elsa in the Let It Go scene also switches from normal to super-deformed depending on the angle. But that's just my opinion, I loved the film nonetheless and looking forward to a sequel should one come out. EDIT: Has anyone else stumbled upon this yet? People are shipping Elsa with Jack Frost from Rise of The Guardians. www.fanpop.com/clubs/elsa-and-jack-frost/images/36297386/title/elsa-jack-photo
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Mar 12, 2014 21:39:06 GMT -5
Post by Servbot42 on Mar 12, 2014 21:39:06 GMT -5
Somehow I was aware of that. It's in my brain and I don't want it there. Ew. Get it out. Dear god...
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Mar 13, 2014 7:19:20 GMT -5
Post by Santa Melty on Mar 13, 2014 7:19:20 GMT -5
I see your ElsaxJack and raise you a genderbent ElsaxJack.Now, far be it from me to endorse any Rule 63 crossover pairings. I haven't even seen RotG. But that's adorable. Seriously, look at those faces. I enjoyed Frozen. But that comes with some fine print. The short of it is, I think I liked it in large part because it was a Disney movie, and because there were certain expectations I went in with because of that. Expectations that the film aided and abetted and then tore down, to good effect. You know the ones. Spoilers ahead. Of course there was a curse, and of course it could only be cured by an act of true love. And of course the act in question would be a kiss, given by some heroic love interest or another. It's a Disney movie, that's how it works. And they knew I was already thinking that. So they ran with it. They even explicitly said it was going to be a kiss, just to be sure we were all on the same page. And then it wasn't. It wasn't even anything anyone else did. It was an act carried out by Anna, the afflicted, for someone else. And it wasn't a kiss, it was throwing herself into a freaking sword. Then there was Hans, who I thought played the false love interest very well. Did not see that twist coming, despite his generally off behavior. I went along with it, since he seemed like an entirely legit Disney love interest to me. Until he wasn't. And there was Anna herself, who was like the distilled essence of the Disney princess. Infinitely optimistic, energetic, and a hopeless romantic. One might expect these traits to be advantageous in a Disney movie. But they didn't help. It made her brash and manipulable and caused her to make things worse at almost every juncture. If the movie had come from another studio and I'd had different expectations, I might have seen the twists coming from farther away. I might have called these elements uninteresting, maybe even cliche. The flaws might have loomed larger. But coming from Disney, the treatment of relationships and love and the characters in general felt very self-aware, even self-critical. And everything was more effective for it. Without that context, I don't think I'd have liked the movie nearly as much as I did. Not saying I think the movie would be instantly be bad if it had been made by someone else, or that there was nothing else I liked about it. But I think that was what made it for me. It was like Disney was parodying itself. In a good way. A deconstructive way. Like a slightly more subtle Enchanted. Frozen also loses points for managing to make me feel bad about not having seen Tangled or Wicked (by way of introducing me to Idina Menzel). As if my not-having-seen-stuff guilt wasn't bad enough. My favorite song coming out of the theater was the opening number, though Let It Go and the First Time in Forever reprise are what I find myself listening to the most now. No thoughts on a sequel. I'm quite happy with where it left off, personally.
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Mar 13, 2014 13:12:11 GMT -5
Post by Servbot42 on Mar 13, 2014 13:12:11 GMT -5
Anyway, This is probably the only issue I actually had with the film. I unfortunately knew about that twist before I saw the movie in its entirety, so when I finally did see it I was on the lookout for foreshadowing...and there basically isn't any. The only thing that set off any alarms in my head was one line in Love is an Open Door, and even then it would probably be completely innocuous to someone who didn't already know the twist. ("I've been looking my whole life to find my own place.") The Hans betrayal basically just happens. I understand his motivation and that he was just playing everyone, but he seems so completely genuine during every part of the film prior to the betrayal that it felt like they were pulling an antagonist out of their butts. Which may very well be the case. I'm sure some of you probably already know this, but Elsa was originally meant to be the villain. They changed things up after listening to Let It Go and thinking that it was too uplifting and positive for an evil character. With Elsa no longer the villain, they probably just picked Hans. In a story where he wasn't a bastard, he probably would have ended up getting ousted by Kristoff and the actual bond he and Anna had developed. Could have been interesting, actually. Maybe that would have woken him up to how empty what he had been looking for was, leading us to think that in time he would break the Disney stereotype like Anna did. And the Duke of Weselton could have been the bad guy or whatever.
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Mar 13, 2014 14:31:57 GMT -5
Post by Dashe on Mar 13, 2014 14:31:57 GMT -5
I see your genderbent Elsa/Jack and raise you an Elsa/Anna.* Can anyone say "squick?" And somehow just as, if not more popular than, Elsa/Jack, Westermarck Effect or lack thereof be damned. It's just...not my thing. At all. Also of note, there's a lot of Elsa/Fire-Hans, Elsa/Fire-OC, and Elsa/Duke of Weselton. Okay, I lied about that last one, but the other two actually have followings. I saw Rise of the Guardians while being pounced on by children nonstop, so I really missed most of the plot. It was okay, I guess. Butt seemed way more interested in Pitch Black being registered on MMLS than the actual movie and wouldn't stop asking questions. It definitely helped that at the time he didn't have an avatar so it just showed up as a picture of a gray guy. Wicked probably won't be coming to your area anytime soon, MLT, but there are plenty of ways to see it anyway, if you catch my drift. Other ways that beat waiting around for a lackluster movie adaptation starring Russell Crowe as Fiyero. Frozen Heart is my go-to tune for shoveling snow. It somehow makes it a little more bearable. Less advisable is singing "For The First Time In Forever" inside a supermarket. Eight thousand salad plates, indeed. Too bad they're all in shrink wrap. The exchange about the sandwiches in "Love Is An Open Door" would've probably tipped Mr. Ninja and me off that something was weird, especially the "That's what I was gonna say!" part from Hans, but we actually do tell people we finish each other's pie, so at the time it was more like, "Did the writers of this movie install cameras in our basement?" than "What's this guy's deal, anyway?" *A Paperman reference is probably safe enough to keep me from writing myself up, I think...
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Mar 13, 2014 22:20:50 GMT -5
Post by Servbot42 on Mar 13, 2014 22:20:50 GMT -5
Oh, I was too caught up in the fact that it was an Arrested Development reference to get that, but yeah, that's another creepy Hans moment in retrospect.
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Mar 14, 2014 0:59:17 GMT -5
Post by Santa Melty on Mar 14, 2014 0:59:17 GMT -5
As someone who was able to see the movie unspoiled (miraculously, given the hype storm), I'd disagree that there was no foreshadowing. It was kind of folded in there, but I do think it was there. There were those moments in Love is an Open Door (which went right over my head, as you say), but it was his behavior through the rest of the movie that felt off to me. Inconsistent. I remember thinking at several points, "Wow, this guy is really competent for a complete ditz". The way he managed the kingdom, that scene where he threatened the Duke and accused him of treason, and the way he played diplomat for Elsa after she got captured are moments that come to mind. But I sort of dismissed these as simply being evidence that he was maybe less flat than I took him for at first. Never made the logical leap to suspecting him of something insidious. Then add to that the Duke serving as a diversion, openly announcing himself to be the villain within the first few seconds of his introduction. It was a diversion I bought into wholesale, since it was exactly the sort of blatant villainy I was expecting. Disney and such. For me, the reveal was both shocking and made perfect sense after I thought about it. And it played well into the Disney self-parody thing I liked. It worked for me. If I had a complaint about the whole Hans business, it would have been that I felt the reveal was a cheap way of resolving the love triangle. Make one of the corners secretly evil, problem solved. I think that idea where Hans isn't actually evil and Anna/Kristoff's more substantial relationship simply ends up trumping the Anna/Hans relationship would have been preferable in that regard. But I was so pleased with the twist that it really didn't bug me. As a non-music person, I still think Crowe was fine in Les Mis. Though I realize I'm in the teeny tiniest of minorities here.
I need to watch Paperman too gosh darn it. At least that one's short.
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Mar 14, 2014 2:24:26 GMT -5
Post by Dashe on Mar 14, 2014 2:24:26 GMT -5
Someone made this remix of "Do You Want To Build a Snowman" as a Kingdom Hearts theme, and if they do Frozen in Kingdom Hearts 3, it would definitely make me want to find someone with whatever console it's on, and play the crap out of it.
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Mar 14, 2014 4:45:58 GMT -5
Post by Kyle on Mar 14, 2014 4:45:58 GMT -5
Wow, that sounds amazingly legit. I wonder if BlueNoc- Yup. They did. xD And you'd never know, Dashe. Frozen is an IP of Disney's, and KH3 is very early in its development stages. And judging by Halloween Town, Pride Lands, Atlantis, Beast's Castle, and Agrabah in KH1/KH2, they certainly have no qualms about using musicals for worlds.
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Mar 14, 2014 11:53:52 GMT -5
Post by blayze16 on Mar 14, 2014 11:53:52 GMT -5
Oh dear... Rise of the Guardians is like The Avengers in name only, except that only the name is badass, the members try to be badass (they are the mascots of the seasons like the Easter Bunny, etc,) and one of them storyline-wise is not that well known because there is Santa Claus. The cure being a true love's kiss, yeah. I got a little bit let down with that. No kiss happened, I re-watched the part where Anna deflects the sword with her frozen body and starts thawing, I saw no kisses as well. Elsa cries and hugs Anna's body and apparently that was enough to thaw her. Something went wrong with the script if that was really supposed to happen. Elsa could have at least kissed her on the cheek (forgive me if the trolls explicitly said "on the lips", the trolls segment was not one of my more favorite parts), at least. As for the betrayal, I am reminded of Paulo from The Lizzie McGuire movie. He meets Lizzie (who looks like a blonde Isabella) and there's no foreshadowing that he was gonna humiliate Lizzie (who everyone will think is his former partner Isabella) by making it look like she was a lip-synch singer. We didn't know he was gonna set up Lizzie until his bodyguard corners him and berates Paulo for hurting Lizzie after Lizzie and Isabella turn the tables by muting Lizzie's microphone, have Isabella sing her lines and jacking up the volume of Paulo's mic, showing that he was the one who can't sing. As for sequels, I dunno. I liked how the movie ended and there's really not much that needs to be covered. And movies that had Disney-canonical sequels (like Hunchback of Notre Dame), they were rather forgetful for me, and I don't think Disney is capable of producing TV series episodes (Timon and Pumba, Aladdin) today nor would Frozen be easy to adapt barring Olaf and Sven shenanigans. I just hope it will be good. In the words of Anton Ego from Ratatouille: "Surprise Me." APPEND: That KH3 mockup music ain't half bad. I can totally see Sora and the gang beating up the heartless on the snowy mountain.
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Mar 15, 2014 17:35:19 GMT -5
Post by Kyle on Mar 15, 2014 17:35:19 GMT -5
APPEND: That KH3 mockup music ain't half bad. I can totally see Sora and the gang beating up the heartless on the snowy mountain. There's actually a sound test video that shows off the transition between overworld and battle, and it even goes the extra mile by splicing in footsteps and combat noises to boot. Enjoy the extra visualization!
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Mar 18, 2014 15:14:49 GMT -5
Kyle likes this
Post by Bowen Aero on Mar 18, 2014 15:14:49 GMT -5
While we're on the topic of Frozen and Kingdom Hearts, I was wandering YouTube trying to find some music box remixes of the in-game music. Outside of the iconic themes that pretty much every fan of the game are familiar with, I did so happen to find Halloween Town. And in the related videos list, I saw THIS.
In the event of song becoming product, break pig.
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Mar 19, 2014 19:25:43 GMT -5
Post by Kyle on Mar 19, 2014 19:25:43 GMT -5
Mmm. I do love me a good music box cover, and this is definitely the kinda thing you'd hear during an epilogue or credits. 'Tis a darntootin' shame that Elsa would be more liable of freezing the thing from across the room instead of closing it herself.
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Mar 20, 2014 6:31:39 GMT -5
Post by blayze16 on Mar 20, 2014 6:31:39 GMT -5
I really love them videos. We will see how Square Enix would adapt Frozen to Kingdom Hearts later on, hopefully soon. Mmm. I do love me a good music box cover, and this is definitely the kinda thing you'd hear during an epilogue or credits. 'Tis a darntootin' shame that Elsa would be more liable of freezing the thing from across the room instead of closing it herself. I really love them videos. I just hope she controls her temper next time. She's more likely to freeze things when angry or under pressure.
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Mar 20, 2014 12:39:51 GMT -5
Post by Dashe on Mar 20, 2014 12:39:51 GMT -5
I hope she doesn't control her temper. You don't really get much of a compelling story if the woman with the crazy ice powers is in a good mood.
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