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Post by RyanLEO on Sept 2, 2013 11:02:21 GMT -5
I've still been trying to figure out when the game takes place. We know it already takes place in the halycon days, but I have never found any proof of what year it takes place. Most sources I've looked at say it takes place in the far future in at least the year 80XX. Wikipedia and the MM wikia say it takes place in 80XX based on in-game dialogue. Which I still have never been able to find out what it was.
So I'm looking for the best explanation of when it does, but it's killing me that I don't know what that dialogue is. 100,000z to whoever can find that dialogue
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Post by satoh on Sept 2, 2013 15:46:33 GMT -5
I've still been trying to figure out when the game takes place. We know it already takes place in the halycon days, but I have never found any proof of what year it takes place. Most sources I've looked at say it takes place in the far future in at least the year 80XX. Wikipedia and the MM wikia say it takes place in 80XX based on in-game dialogue. Which I still have never been able to find out what it was. So I'm looking for the best explanation of when it does, but it's killing me that I don't know what that dialogue is. 100,000z to whoever can find that dialogue I'm almost certain that this in game dialogue is not MML dialogue but rather dialogue from other games, coupled with the outright statement from Inafune that Legends is at the end of the megaverse timeline. In the X series, a space station called Elysium is being built, roughly the year 50XX, and the Master is at least 3000 years old when he dies before the events of MML, meaning 80XX is the earliest the series could happen. Further games in the X series take place a few thousand years after Elysium is supposedly built, meaning it may not be the same station, or is at the least, extremely old, but also that pushes the date of legends even further. I'm uncertain how the ZX series fits in, whether it is a separate timeline or the same, if its the same, then that means MML is probably in the 9-10k AD range. I also don't know whether anything after X5 is counted as canon according to MML, as at the time it was meant to be the end of the X series... then they finished X6. Personally, I like to think that the series is entirely contiguous, sans the obvious deviations like Battle Network and Star Force. I like this idea because it shows pretty much most of the history leading up to MML, and also explains why carbons are not considered human... (they're part reploid as per ZX's "humanoid" race) Also MMZ and ZX are packed with reaverbot eyes, more in ZX. However, while I know the comment about Elysium being built is at the end of X5, I do not have the actual quote on hand, and I cannot corroborate that the Master would even be on it at that time. So, MM wiki is incorrect in stating that it is directly quoted as being 80XX. It is one possible implication. |
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Post by RyanLEO on Sept 2, 2013 16:20:43 GMT -5
Yeah I never saw a direct quote proving it, and since the games are meant to be separate worlds there's no way to be sure that it would be the same elysium.
Maybe we could go by the time the world is supposed to flood?
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Post by satoh on Sept 2, 2013 16:30:59 GMT -5
Yeah I never saw a direct quote proving it, and since the games are meant to be separate worlds there's no way to be sure that it would be the same elysium. Maybe we could go by the time the world is supposed to flood? They weren't initially considered separate worlds. As I said originally Legends was meant to take place some time after X5, at a time when the world was so drastically different that it could be called a separate world. |
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Post by Mr. Foetus on Sept 2, 2013 16:58:34 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain that every game aside from Star Force and Battle Network is part of the same timeline. I've seen various timelines created over the years, and I could have sworn I saw an official one somewhere...Let's see if I can find one... *Googles* Here we are. It's not official, and a few others were added to the alternate universes that I'm not sure about, but it seems pretty spot-on otherwise.  |
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Post by Buster Cannon on Sept 2, 2013 17:08:31 GMT -5
^That's pretty spot-on aside from the part about X6-X8 and CM being in an alt universe.
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Post by satoh on Sept 2, 2013 17:43:02 GMT -5
^That's pretty spot-on aside from the part about X6-X8 and CM being in an alt universe. X6+ is hard to quantify since they were unintentional games. Inafune had planned for X5 to be the end, but Capcom kept going. Thusly, there is a hole in the X5-X8 issue. It is impossible to determine whether or not X5 splits the universe into two or simply continues along one path. X6 is basically Schrodinger's Reploid. |
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Post by RyanLEO on Sept 2, 2013 17:57:27 GMT -5
Thats a really good chart, however it brings up a few more smaller questions I've never known. Did the master create carbons, and why were they created?
I hate how little information is given about the reaverbots and creation of the ruins too. It's the thing I'm most interested in and there's no answers
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Post by Buster Cannon on Sept 2, 2013 18:17:46 GMT -5
Inafune had planned for X5 to be the end, but Capcom kept going. Thusly, there is a hole in the X5-X8 issue. It is impossible to determine whether or not X5 splits the universe into two or simply continues along one path. X6 is basically Schrodinger's Reploid. X6-8 still fits though, even if X6 wasn't initially planned as part of the canon. Here's a timeline for better scope. |
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Post by RyanLEO on Sept 2, 2013 22:10:02 GMT -5
I always though they were meant to be completely separate, espcially because of the roll/megaman thing were they aren't related anymore. Plus his different look and all ya know.
I should've put this in general discussion too...
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Post by satoh on Sept 3, 2013 9:02:12 GMT -5
I always though they were meant to be completely separate, espcially because of the roll/megaman thing were they aren't related anymore. Plus his different look and all ya know. I should've put this in general discussion too... That's silly MuZ. They were never really related. You're looking at western megaman backstory as if it actually makes sense. Capcom's English speaking division made no attempts to preserve the authenticity of their games, because when it started, there was no plan. Roll is and always was "Rock's companion." That was even her reason for existing, to be someone Rock could care about and relate to. It kinda sucks to be Roll. (And aside from that there's also the familial attraction factor common in Japanese media. It is important to remember that the Megaman franchise IS Japanese; no matter how it is translated, the Japanese sensibilities are the canon. If you separate Megaman Legends into a separate series from Rockman DASH, due to the cultural differences, then MML has no place in the Megaman timeline at all, and is just a random story about some dudes doin' stuff, completely unrelated to those other dudes who did stuff.) More than that, you're also assuming that there can't simply be two people with the same given name... And much less two people with the same name, in all of history. By the time Legends takes place, all plausible unique names will have been thought up and used already. Trigger is not Megaman classic "Rock", nor is he X. Trigger is Trigger. Megaman Rock Megaman X Megaman Zero Megaman Juno Megaman Trigger Megaman (and Rockman) are titles applied to extraordinary beings, like battle androids for instance. One might go so far as to say that Vent and Aile classify as Megaman Vent and Megaman Aile...but that's a topic on its own. Perhaps every maverick reploid classifies as a Megaman as well... Megaman Vile, Megaman Sigma... yeah it could work. I'm not trying to sound rude if I do, I'm simply trying to point out the inconsistencies. If you treat the English franchise as canon, the story is very badly put together and has many plotholes and inconsistencies. The Japanese plot isn't perfect either, but it is a lot more consistent, being all from one group, rather than being treated as a bunch of separate instances from separate translation efforts. (Also as a side note, the Space Station in the X series crashes into the planet) |
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Post by RyanLEO on Sept 3, 2013 11:50:56 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I was saying, they're way different. It's the reason I don't like the answers (nothing personal) that use the other games to find out the setting for mml, even though it's probably the closest there will be unless some crazy explanation comes out of nowhere some day
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Post by satoh on Sept 3, 2013 16:54:08 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I was saying, they're way different. It's the reason I don't like the answers (nothing personal) that use the other games to find out the setting for mml, even though it's probably the closest there will be unless some crazy explanation comes out of nowhere some day Well, its only separate if you don't consider the original context. |
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