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Post by Bean on May 4, 2012 0:22:20 GMT -5
I've always been interested in finding out what makes us all tick the way we do. A lot of us have certain self-sabotaging tendencies that pop out in odd situations. For instance, I love the feeling when a job is completed, but I have a tendency to procrastinate at odd times. In one case, I had maybe a half hour of work left, but I kept putting it off for nearly the whole day. When I finally accomplished it, I wondered why I had the enormous mental block stopping me to begin with. I started studying the science of the mind back a few years ago, and this has helped me out a good deal in certain areas, but I always wondered why I had these self-sabotaging behaviors or flaws to begin with. Some of it was pretty obvious in that situations in my childhood developed into areas where I wouldn't be self-confident later on in my life. For me, it was in the realm of public speaking, which is a common phobia for many. Now hypnosis is a subject that some find to either be garbage or a pseudo-science at best with little practicality, but I find it to be a decent alternative way to help overcome these odd behaviors. Now it's never going to be the go to situation, but again, that's what an alternative healing method is in the first place. Anyway, I guess my question is what is your take on it? I don't mean the stage stuff for this case, although if you want to go that route, I could talk about it as well. In this instance, I want to know your take on the medical aspect of the equation? A part of the reason I brought this up was the recent "mind control pill" thread where quite a few of us, myself included, didn't like the idea in the slightest. With hypnotism, you're in control of your own mind, although you're being guided along by a hypnotist. Is that any better to you? Is it a worthy solution? Heck, do you even believe in it in the first place? Yeah, I'm kind of curious. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 9:41:12 GMT -5
I personally believe that one must be cautious when it comes to that. Some might take advantage of those that are willing to be hypnotized.
At least you can only be hypnotized if you allow them and want them to.
That's my two cents.
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Post by MegaTuga on May 4, 2012 9:55:13 GMT -5
Hypnotism is a complete bogus for me. It simply only exists to show off or in fiction books. And that's it.
I really don't belive in such things, manipulating minds with some actions like music and /or visual incentive... that would work, but not in the way we hear and see it on television. No endulums or old watches can make you sleepy in a matter of seconds (or minutes) and force you to do things without you wanting to.
That's my view anyway.
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Post by Mikéy on May 4, 2012 11:36:50 GMT -5
Laughing gas is the only hypnotism we'll ever need. I saw my dental surgeons as witches while they worked on my teeth.
The only thing that truly fascinated me is when a lady hypnotized herself without help, making her to believe that her neck didn't exist, so doctors could perform surgery on it. Apparently, she felt no pain. I don't remember any of the details, and I only saw this in my high school Psychology class. The doctors were telling her what they were doing throughout the surgery, and she appeared to be fully conscious but with her eyes closed. It could've been staged though.
Pick up the snake, and put it in the bag, bean...
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Post by SketchMan3 on May 4, 2012 11:58:26 GMT -5
The thing about hypnotism is that it's purely voluntary. You only do things under hypnosis if you choose to do them. Eventually your mind gets used to following the suggestions, and it becomes more of a reflex than a conscious effort.
If you want to get hypnotized, when they tell you "touch your finger to your nose" you have to do it deliberately. If they tell you that "you are now under my control" you have to tell yourself the same thing. Eventually your mind begins to confuse your own deliberate actions with those being suggested to you.
That's the thing people don't seem to realize. It's not some magical involuntary thing that you are forced into by staring at a pocket watch.
And then there's the demonic stuff...
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Post by Bean on May 4, 2012 12:06:54 GMT -5
I actually got some answers on this... Cool! I was going to branch off into other topics that are either pseudo-science or mumbo jumbo, but I wanted to keep it in an area I can actually respond to opinions with facts on here. Anyone else that wants to chime in on the subject, I'm more than happy to go on about it. Anyway, let's get to answering! I personally believe that one must be cautious when it comes to that. Some might take advantage of those that are willing to be hypnotized. At least you can only be hypnotized if you allow them and want them to. The second part of your comment holds true for the first part. A hypnotist can't take advantage of someone while they're hypnotized. If they ever tried anything unethical, the subject would pop open their eyes and run for the hills. Less dramatic if it's just against the person's beliefs, they'd still open their eyes right back up and say that they would not like that. Then again, it should never come to that because a hypnotist should be doing a walkthrough to help ease the client's mind prior to actually starting. I really don't believe in such things, manipulating minds with some actions like music and /or visual incentive... that would work, but not in the way we hear and see it on television. No pendulums or old watches can make you sleepy in a matter of seconds (or minutes) and force you to do things without you wanting to. That's my view anyway. And that's a good view to have because a hypnotist can't make you do anything against your will, and it doesn't work in seconds unless you're re-hypnotizing someone. It's usually a decently long process. You have to explain what it is to people first because nobody in their right mind is going to relax until they know what's what. I would say that a decent hypnotist would spend anywhere around ten minutes explaining the process (what it feels like, how it will happen, etc.) and then another five to ten minutes actually doing an initial induction. The fact that people are also auditory, visual, or kinesthetic learners plays a role in how said induction would work, too. The only thing that truly fascinated me is when a lady hypnotized herself without help, making her to believe that her neck didn't exist, so doctors could perform surgery on it. Apparently, she felt no pain. It's definitely possible, but that's one of those cases where I'd be saying that a good ol' dose of the anesthesia or something similar to knock you out would be a better idea. Again, I personally only see it as an alternative use for medicine. I don't think my mind would ever be able to rest during a matter like that. The thing about hypnotism is that it's purely voluntary. You only do things under hypnosis if you choose to do them. Eventually your mind gets used to following the suggestions, and it becomes more of a reflex than a conscious effort. If you want to get hypnotized, when they tell you "touch your finger to your nose" you have to do it deliberately. If they tell you that "you are now under my control" you have to tell yourself the same thing. Eventually your mind begins to confuse your own deliberate actions with those being suggested to you. That's the thing people don't seem to realize. It's not some magical involuntary thing that you are forced into by staring at a pocket watch. Exactly right, although I'd say it differently than the "mind confusing itself" part. I'd go with the word conditioning, but some might think that has a negative connotation. Then again, it's the same for people that go on a diet and stick to it. They condition themselves not to eat certain foods or run that extra block... whatever. Still, that conditioning in this instance can only be brought about by trust. |
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Post by SketchMan3 on May 4, 2012 13:30:48 GMT -5
It's funny, I happened across a hypnotism video on youtube where a woman was waving her finger around in circles, and it reminded me of a scene in a movie where a woman was doing the same thing while trying to convince a guy to "give in". I wonder if they snuck in a little hypnosis reference deliberately. The character even spoke in hypnotic tones.
I tried to look up some hypnosis stuff to see what it was all about, but I find it annoying when they keep going on and on explaining the process. Just get on with it already, lol. So I just tuned out and turned off. It's not worth the trouble. There are much better and less mind-affecting ways to accomplish goals.
I'm very resistant to suggestion. Most of the stuff I see online wouldn't work for me. Yeah, I've done research.
Actually, now that I'm aware of it, I notice a lot of scenes in movies where a character speaks to another character, yet is facing the camera, essentially speaking to the viewer, that look very much like hypnotic techniques. "You are this" and "you'll do that" stuff.
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Post by Rockman Striker on May 4, 2012 16:02:29 GMT -5
There are many ways to perform hypnotism, I'll say there are 3 main situations on which hypnotism can be seen. 1. Medical hypnotism: It's what Bean was talking about on his first post, it's used to help the patient forget about certain fears in order to "heal" him. (Turning that arachnophobia into "arachnolove") It's an efficient way to improve a person's life. 2. Entertainment hypnotism: What most of the people first thing when they hear the word "hypnotism" we can see on our minds a man telling another one to think he is a chicken, and actually that man believes so. Some of those acts shown on TV are fake, but there are some talented hypnotists that can actually do that. (Although I believe their real talent is to chose the most suggestible persons of the public for their shows.) I remember a man who hypnotized 5 or 6 girls to make her think they were at a tortas shop (a torta is the mexican version of a hamburger) when they were "awake" they started to ask for their tortas, once they had their tortas the hypnotist told them that their tortas had too many jalapeños, so they bitten the tortas and started to cry because they believed what the man said to them. Very funny, yes, and it's very possible to pull such an act without having to pay at the hypnotized people. 3. Evil hypnotism: What some others think about it, an evil man who has a lot of irrational zombies at his hand, and wants to conquer the world, ok ok, we know this is not possible in real life, just in movies, but there are many people who are confident about their hypnotic powers who think they can make people obey them in the most embarrassing and stupid ways, but not to please the crowds, but to please themselves. In my opinion, this last hypno-mode is less credible than the others, as some of you mentioned, it's not possible to make a person to do something he doesn't want to do, the Mythbusters proved this point once and I believe what they say  As for me, I'll never use hypnotism for any purpose, it's against my principles of the use of my mind. |
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Post by Bean on May 5, 2012 1:03:45 GMT -5
It's funny, I happened across a hypnotism video on youtube where a woman was waving her finger around in circles, and it reminded me of a scene in a movie where a woman was doing the same thing while trying to convince a guy to "give in". I wonder if they snuck in a little hypnosis reference deliberately. The character even spoke in hypnotic tones. Actually, now that I'm aware of it, I notice a lot of scenes in movies where a character speaks to another character, yet is facing the camera, essentially speaking to the viewer, that look very much like hypnotic techniques. "You are this"; and "you'll do that" stuff. Oh, the entertainment industry and things they don't understand... They will intentionally use misconceptions just to keep the flow of their own product going. A lot of tv shows have done this with technology references that make no sense. I'm sure if you look up NCIS, CSI, or any of those, they'll have ridiculous scenarios of the sort. Nothing wrong with a healthy imagination, but I don't even think they try to research the subject before writing about it. Yeah, that's the thing. If you aren't wanting to bother with it, don't bother with it. (Medical, entertainment, and "evil"/Hollywood's perecption discussion) As for me, I'll never use hypnotism for any purpose, it's against my principles of the use of my mind. Nothing wrong with that attitude. Honestly, for years, I didn't know how to overcome my fears of certain things, but I used the first type with the help of a friend online to start to control it. You don't really get rid of it as much as you suppress it. Some fears have been taking longer than others like public speaking, but I've managed to get to a point where I'm confident enough in having discussions on subjects if need be. It kind of helps since I've thought about being a hypnotherapist for awhile. I have the voice, the knowledge, and the passion to help other people, and I have used very basic stuff to help friends relax before. Still, I have some work to do before I think about going that route for a career. Some people would go the therapy route, others might take pills, and another group might just simply have the willpower to overcome any of their fears naturally via practice. For people like me with some things, it's not always as easy. Go figure. |
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Post by Rockman Striker on May 6, 2012 14:10:44 GMT -5
It kind of helps since I've thought about being a hypnotherapist for awhile. I have the voice, the knowledge, and the passion to help other people, and I have used very basic stuff to help friends relax before. Still, I have some work to do before I think about going that route for a career. Some people would go the therapy route, others might take pills, and another group might just simply have the willpower to overcome any of their fears naturally via practice. For people like me with some things, it's not always as easy. Go figure. Now that you mention that you are a hypnotherapist, are there any possibilities of affecting/damaging one person's brain? I'm talking about making someone forget a certain important memory, or leaving the person with any kind of strange behavior, I've seen hypnos (yeah, i'm lazy to write the full word XD) actually making a person forget some concept, number 4 for example, when the person is asked to count his fingers he says: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, if this is true I'm sure there is a way to 'fix' the person's brain. XD |
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Post by SketchMan3 on May 8, 2012 19:25:37 GMT -5
It's funny, I happened across a hypnotism video on youtube where a woman was waving her finger around in circles, and it reminded me of a scene in a movie where a woman was doing the same thing while trying to convince a guy to "give in". I wonder if they snuck in a little hypnosis reference deliberately. The character even spoke in hypnotic tones. Actually, now that I'm aware of it, I notice a lot of scenes in movies where a character speaks to another character, yet is facing the camera, essentially speaking to the viewer, that look very much like hypnotic techniques. "You are this"; and "you'll do that" stuff. Oh, the entertainment industry and things they don't understand... They will intentionally use misconceptions just to keep the flow of their own product going. A lot of tv shows have done this with technology references that make no sense. I'm sure if you look up NCIS, CSI, or any of those, they'll have ridiculous scenarios of the sort. Nothing wrong with a healthy imagination, but I don't even think they try to research the subject before writing about it. That's the thing. It's not outright stated "hey, look: this person is hypnotizing", it's more like all this random stuff is happening and then *boom* out of nowhere, mimicry of hypnotic techniques, but not presented in a way to say "Hey, look! this is hypnosis". It's none of that pocket-watch/psychedelic swirls stuff. It's the kind of thing you'd see a therapist or entertainer doing. And it's so subtle. I think they understand hypnosis more than other "special interests", because they use a light level of it regularly, if the hypnotists explanations that I've heard/read are to believed. Yeah, at the time, I didn't know if I wanted to bother with it or not. |
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Post by Music_Swashbuckler on May 8, 2012 20:11:25 GMT -5
This may be slightly off topic, but what about audio "hypnotism" to be used before going to sleep? I've seen countless things in the media stating that if you listen to something with headphones as your falling asleep, you can pick up a new skill or change your way of thinking. Any truth to this? If so, what would be the requirements for it to actually work?
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Post by Bean on May 10, 2012 6:52:02 GMT -5
Now that you mention that you are a hypnotherapist, are there any possibilities of affecting/damaging one person's brain? I'm talking about making someone forget a certain important memory, or leaving the person with any kind of strange behavior, I've seen hypnosis actually making a person forget some concept, number 4 for example, when the person is asked to count his fingers he says: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, if this is true I'm sure there is a way to 'fix' the person's brain. XD I just want to clarify that I'm not a hypnotherapist. I've only been studying the subject for a good long while that I probably should be... Anyway, to answer your question, the person would remember it eventually. Since that's more of a stage hypnotism suggestion, it would be entirely dependent on whether the person is wanting to perform or not at the time. You can suppress memory, but you can't remove it. Once it's there, it's there. Let's put it like this, you might be forgetting the number when being tested to count (a common routine in stage shows is to have the subject count his or her fingers and wind up with eleven), but it will come back to you if you need the information. Now if it's a post-hypnotic suggestion and the trust factor is still there, yes, the suggestion could easily work again. This goes back to that "conditioning" term I used earlier. That's the thing. It's not outright stated "hey, look: this person is hypnotizing", it's more like all this random stuff is happening and then *boom* out of nowhere, mimicry of hypnotic techniques, but not presented in a way to say "Hey, look! this is hypnosis". It's none of that pocket-watch/psychedelic swirls stuff. It's the kind of thing you'd see a therapist or entertainer doing. And it's so subtle. I think they understand hypnosis more than other "special interests", because they use a light level of it regularly, if the hypnotists explanations that I've heard/read are to believed. Most of it is always done in a progressive relaxation thing. You're right, pocket watches don't really come into play unless you're trying to get the subject to fixate on an object. It sure as heck doesn't work the first time in a matter of a minute or two... even in a stage show. And even then, it's not like you can just swing a watch in front of someone's eyes and do the "You are getting sleepy" routine. There's more to it than that. Once you have hypnotized someone, yes, you can relax them quite quickly and easily with a simple command or word if need be. This may be slightly off topic, but what about audio "hypnotism" to be used before going to sleep? I've seen countless things in the media stating that if you listen to something with headphones as your falling asleep, you can pick up a new skill or change your way of thinking. Any truth to this? If so, what would be the requirements for it to actually work? This is more or less called sleep learning. This is kind of tougher since I'm not as well-versed on this subject, but let me try to explain. We have four types of brain waves that we generate throughout our day. Beta is when we're fully awake. Alpha is when we're awake but daydreaming. Theta is when we're going to rest at the end of the day or when we are dreaming. Delta is when we're in deep sleep. The difference here is that when you're hypnotized, you're not asleep. Yes, you may be in the Alpha, Theta, or even close to Delta range when you're out of it, but it's not the same. Sleep generates Theta and Delta waves the most. I guess what I'm trying to say is this... In my opinion, it's easier to learn something the more conscious the mind is. In hypnosis, you're conscious even if it's tapping into the subconscious part of your mind. In sleep, you have a chance of being totally unconscious. Kind of makes it tough to learn things that way to me. Sorry if that's not clear enough. Researching up the brain waves didn't produce an easy answer like I thought it would, even though in the end, I knew the two states were different. I spent a good hour or so checking sites, studies, and things of the sort to gather that info. |
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