Capcom does not care about you, as you only beg.

[fightback]

Capcom has nothing to lose from you but potential profit, which they don't seriously believe is at risk due to the level of fans you are. If you sincerely wanted for the prototype of Legends 3 to be released, you would take greater steps to ensure they would release the prototype as they said they would.

You do not ask them for the prototype while they stonewall you with 'No.', you tell them that if they do not make good on their word every single future Capcom game's release will be met with fans spreading the download links to them as far and wide online as they can. After Capcom suffers a few games failing due to widespread downloading, they might just actually lend an ear to the fans they have betrayed and lied to.

Or you could just keep signing online petitions and pouting on your forums, which Capcom's managers never bother to look at, or if they do, it is just to have a laugh at your expense.

How much do you care about holding people accountable?

[EX]

Now for whether or not to take this thread seriously, to be honest, let them do what they want, plus Konami? Weren't they the creators of Castlevania? Kinda unrelated..

[Mikéy]

"She" must have edited that part out, EX. But you're completely right. People who respond like that are typically uninformed or completely misguided. "Her" words seem to make sense, but really, you don't just walk up to a big corporate company and say "Make this, or else." What are we gonna do if they don't? Blow up their offices?

Joking aside, I have no clue what the "download link" scenario is supposed to entail. Perhaps if "she" doesn't mind, FightBack could provide more of an explanation on that. Or, the explanation could have been edited out, like what EX is talking about. If it's anything to do with Castlevania, you've lost my attention.

Anybody who signs up just to post something like this is typically pulling a joke anyway. I still remember the last time it happened. Good one, Mir@k! A 55 year old lady? I guess Grandmas can love Legends too!

[EX]

Lol amen to that.

[Chiz]

Nov 14, 2011 5:37:31 GMT -5 @fightback said:

You do not ask them for the prototype while they stonewall you with 'No.', you tell them that if they do not make good on their word every single future Capcom game's release will be met with fans spreading the download links to them as far and wide online as they can.

Even ignoring the misconception that piracy and so-called "lost profits" are inseparable and directly correlated, what does threatening the company with widespread piracy even do? This is the internet - every game gets cracked and warezed by dozen of groups that specialize in doing just that, and spread internationally to every community and person who wants a copy. You don't need to help spread it, because anyone who wants a copy already has one, or knows where to get one, or failing this, knows how to use Google search.

The only thing downloading Capcom's games does is show them that they make good games that people desparately want to play. Capcom's offerings are increasingly bad, yet the single thing you suggest sends a very clear message that their policies, their direction as entertainment makers, and so on is valid. Worse, they may buy into that whole "lost profits" bullshit and harden themselves even further to chance and experimentation.

Capcom of Japan has clearly shown that they don't give two shits about their customer base - this is doubly true for us western fans, who are further distanced from them. We can't do anything related to Capcom without hurting Capcom of America - who is a lot more receptive to our plight.

The only thing that would work, short of buying up the company outright, is a widespread boycott of their products, especially in their home base, Japan. Please note, boycott does not mean "Refuse to pay for it, but download and play it anyway". It does not mean "Refuse to buy new, but buy a used copy instead" - this is how these internet boycotts fail hard. Let those downloads go unmirrored. Let those old copies sit around in the discount bin at Gamestop. Cancel your preorders, if you have any. Boycott means complete disinterest in anything the company produces. If Capcom of Japan doesn't care about us, why should we care about them? Why should we care about their products, their services, their creations? Don't buy, don't buy used, don't rent, don't download, don't discuss, completely ignore. Super Hyper-Derper Capcom Fighter Ultra Alpha Omega Zero Edition Plus EX with DLC? Don't advertise it for them! Ignore it, and move on, casually telling people who might be interested in that sort of thing how Capcom have given ALL their fans the shaft lately, not just DASH fans.

Only by giving our money, time, and bandwidth, etc etc to other companies, other products, other pursuits etc. can we demonstrate to them that we're no longer willing to accept this.

[EX]

Hope that person gets it, A company is like a parent, and the fans are the children, betraying their children is harsh, and so is a company screwing with their fans with many things not just Legends 3, but unlike children we actually can do something. Which is dishone the company, or step up.

In a way the people of this forum is, fighting for what they believe in, or so I think.

[Dashe]

Yeah, I am definitely not buying a self-proclaimed 55-year-old woman stating that we should threaten an entire company at which at least over half the employees (though unfortunately not the ones with the power) sympathize with the cause, and agree with a lot of what Chiz said. I really don't think gamers should be okay with getting their wallets wrung dry with half-finished fighting games, and should stop supporting products that aren't genuinely the best they could be. I do think people should buy what they like, don't get me wrong, but gamers as a consumer group ought to set a higher standard for themselves and learn when to say, "Okay, enough is enough, the quality in your products needs a significant boost or I'm out." Right now the majority of them are too okay with buying mediocre, rushed, incomplete products. The "Well, Capcom does this to their franchises all the time" excuse is garbage. Nobody should do that to their own intellectual property.

I'd always thought of IPs being like a (creative) company's children instead of their consumers. The better you treat your IPs, the better off those IPs will be when they're making you the sales you need. Right now, in Capcom, every single IP it has other than Asura's Wrath is being abused (and I bet if it sells as well as Capcom thinks it will, it'll be next in line). Oversaturating is just as dangerous to an IP as ignoring it is. They aren't thinking in terms of long-term sustainability, and if they don't shape up soon they're going to crash, HARD, if they aren't well on their way already.

[karkatvantas]

Well, it's really come down to the fact that most games these days are able to be patched on day 1, so the idea that a lot of companies save on beta testing costs by having first-day buyers "test" the game kind of comes to mind. I'm not sure if it's true or if it's just a plausible rumor, but I'm somewhat inclined to believe that it's true.

When I played MVC3, it felt like I was rattling around in a half-finished skeleton. I had a little fun here and there, but it really felt like an empty game.

I don't plan on purchasing any Capcom games in the forseeable future, first because I can't afford any new games, second because there aren't really any games I want to buy, and third because of the merciless wringing that they're doing to their franchises. I don't plan to download their games, or play them in any respect. I can empathize with anyone who's discontent with Capcom.

However, at this point in time, it seems that Capcom is holding most of the cards. Yeah, pleading for the completed prototype and signing petitions may seem like a good idea to some, but I think it's probably time for the cold shoulder. You don't spread out download links to people who want to play the game but don't financially support Capcom. That shows that you're willing to support their intellectual property. The solution is simple. If you don't want Capcom to keep shoveling shit games down our noses, don't play them.

Capcom, in this situation, is kind of like a troll. If you pay attention, they have all the power. However, if you completely ignore them and ice them out, they have no power. It's a delicate game of give-and-take, and you've got to pick your battles. There's a reason why I haven't done so much as touch anything Capcom in the past few months. Frankly, I don't want to have any dealings with them any longer, regardless. For me, it's time to cut my losses and move on. Perhaps we should send Capcom a message by convincing the gaming community to do the same.

[Dashe]

Just convincing the gaming community to type in complete, properly constructed sentences and format their in-post images well is almost like pulling teeth. Convincing them that buying from a company with severely flawed core business policies only hurts them in the long run would probably require nothing less than intense therapy sessions. :17: The biggest problem is convincing them that there's a problem, because all they can see is more games they're interested in coming out.

[Bowen Aero]

I strongly disregard your argument, FightBack, as this explanation showcase my reasons:

Those involved in the "Legends 3 War" can be divided into five parties; Supportives, Aggressives, Destructives, Passives, and of course Capcom. Like an actual war, each party target others for certain reasons.

Majority of Legends Station, 100K Strong, and especially the entire Fanbase are Supportives. Our goal is to revive Volnutt with strong support for MML3. We also try to rally the Passives while enduring the other two parties.

The rest of the Fanbase believe hating and commanding Capcom will force them to revive MML3. They are the Aggressives, and they target not only Capcom, but the Supportives and Passives as well, trying to make us see their reasoning.

The Destructives are mainly all the Haters who "gotta hate" on all other four parties for "being dumbasses", "making us see the f***ing real world that nobody gives a flying sh*t about this bullcrap", and "just because they can".
(All quotes from majority of Destructives themselves.)

Lastly, Passives are basically neutrals who have no reason to target others until recruited by one of the other four parties.


Now, I ask you, and all other Users of Legends Station;
"Whose side are you on...?"

[karkatvantas]

I'm all for seeing Legends 3 get released. However, I don't think any amount of reasoning, pleading, hating, or any other activity will get Capcom to start production again.

[Dashe]

No amount of passivity will EVER get Capcom to reconsider, of that I am three hundred per cent sure. Actually, doing nothing hardly ever gets you anything.

[Loken]

No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn!
If you don't fight for what you believe in, you believe in nothing.

[Bowen Aero]

Do you not see, FightBack?
This issue isn't so "demand-or-whine" as you say it is.
Legends Station, along with the Fanbase, will never give up.
We'll see to it that Legends 3 makes its revival, and with the voices we're using now.
Your ideals are not needed in our struggle!

[karkatvantas]

Iunno. Maybe it's just I have other things that I think are more important to fight for. I'm about to graduate from undergrad and get a job and all. Worrying about a canceled video game isn't really the top of my priorities. It's not apathy. It's just.... a lack of time?