"Megaman" Juno? And "Eden?"

[Heat Sonata]

You know, this isn't one of those things worth arguing over. But I don't want my views to be counted as a blind opinion. I honestly believe in the relationship as a possibility (I won't try to match them up, I never have).

I'm going to go out on a limb and say there could be 4 reasons you so bluntly assert that Roll and Megaman are family...
1. There was a topic about it previously which I missed in which every member agreed. Possible.
2. You only played through the game once and failed to grasp a clear relationship as either being sibling or romantic. This is impossible because you obviously have a lot of Legends knowledge. I only mention this because that was about my position after completing MM64 at a very young age.
3. This is the one I hope you meant. Perhaps you already have a very definite view of who Megaman's relationship is to be with and (I say this not to be taken negatively) are discovering reasons he should not be with the other characters.
4. This is what I hope you did NOT mean, nor do I suspect you of such. Capcom has made it abundantly clear that there is supposed to be a relationship (that is NOT deniable. She is always included in situations including the other girls in Legends pics, and there are numerous hints. I assume you mean Roll SHOULD not be counted as a sibling to Rock and not that she IS definitely.). What you may be doing is taking a side nobody else does in order to make yourself stand out. People should not make decisions based on popularity. Anyways... I don't think an intelligent respected board member would do that in the first place.

What I humbly request is that you see my point. Capcom has made the relationship abundantly clear and they are not blood relations. One old entry in a journal by a man who isn't either child's real father and is long since outdated can't by used as a factual base for your argument. The special weapons to gift example, perhaps... but I ask that you don't consider that I "don't understand basic English" when I say that I think the relationship is perfectly normal. I understand if you don't think so, but don't make other people feel bad about having an opinion.

[pitch]

I'm going to PM you because this has gotten insanely out of hand. Anyone else have anything to say about MegaMan's name or Eden?

AimMan, it's still farfetched that Barrel knows anything about MegaMan's origins. He's old, but not that old. With your logic, we could assume just about anything. I could go on a limb and say that MegaMan Volnutt isn't MegaMan Trigger. We never see what Trigger looked like in the memory file. That whole thing could be a complete fabrication by Yuna so she could manipulate Volnutt and take over the system. Outrageous? Yes, but to me, no offense, that's how you sound.

[Aim]

Don't worry, I take little offense.

I never suggested Barrel was so old that he would have actually been alive all the way back when Megaman was created, or that he actually had some sort of ties to the ancient race of non-carbons. I was saying that Barrel might have seen something at the scene of the event where he picked up Megaman which clued him in to Megaman's origin, but chosen to hide it from him. Maybe what you just suggested is right, and maybe Megaman isn't really Megaman Trigger. It is outrageous, but it is possible, except one thing conflicts; doesn't Sera call Megaman "Megaman Trigger" as well before the battle? I'm almost sure I remember that in the voice. Besides, why in the world would Yuna want to take over the system? There's never any evidence as to any trait in her personality. I like to think that my theory at least doesn't have any base to be disproven, even if it may not be relied upon. I simply think that because there's even remote evidence as to this it is more likely than the fact that not only would Barrel have coincidentally named Megaman after his original name given by the Master, but also that he would have thought to name Megaman after an extremely popular video game character.

There's really not enough evidence to say anything is true at this point. That is why Megaman Legends 2's cliffhanger has been so unsatisfying: it left millions of possibilities open.

[pitch]

Yuna's personality could be a lie. She could have all of 'em duped. On that same note, if Barrel could conceal something like that I'd see no problem with Yuna hiding an evil master plan. Of course, the Sera and for that matter, Juno thing makes it impossible. I was hoping you'd catch that.

There's really no evidence to suggest Barrel would do such a thing though. And Barrel seems as clueless as to what Yuna tells them as any of the others there. If the game didn't say otherwise it would be possible, but it' THERE, just like the other thing, in PLAIN ENGLISH. You can come up with all the crazy ideas you want, but it's RIGHT THERE in the game, with no evidence really saying otherwise. I could say that the Bonnes aren't really pirates, but rich people that don't want to spend so much. They COULD be hiding it! Everyone could be hiding something!

Plus, what was there in Nino Island ruins that would suggest anything about Trigger's origins? o.O He says he went there to study civilization that preceded the Carbons, but there's really not anything in the ruins except maybe relics, and I somehow doubt Barrel would get that far into the ruins anyway.

[Aim]

Oh yeah, that's right, my whole theory falls apart there. You actually get to look inside the ruins yourself, and there's no evidence of anything. Lord. I hate it. Why can't they just give us a sequel to explain things?

Ah well. I'll fold my hand. I'm no good at solving the mysteries of the Legends series.......

But I'm still in a good mood because I got my gag comic done!

[Breakman]

Whoa, you guys. Take a chill pill or something... ^^;

A bit of a slant.... It is possible that Barell knows something about Trigger's past, but does not know that it IS Trigger's past. Barell is an experienced digger and scientist. He reads and writes about what he find/found. Information about the Systems and the Units aren't as hidden as they "should be." Some one saw the battle between "a blue knight" and Juno in the past and the religion in MML2 is describing Yuna and Sera. No, I really think Barrell (more than others) knows more than he thinks he does.

Most likely, he found Trigger in some strange place (like a ruin or something). "What irresponsible person would want to abandon a baby here?" he probably thought. So I think why he went along with naming Trigger "Megaman" was for a security reason. More obscure the name, the harder to find?

Pitch, you started the Trigger and Roll family thing. Don't get all mad that someone wanted to take you on by that comment. XD

[ultratronfan]

IT'S ALL CAPCOM'S FAULT!!!... ahem.


Anyways, I've alway wondered about that as well. It's probably put there by capcom to cunfuse us all =).

[Mouser X]

Well, in regards to the "MegaMan" title, I think it's sort of a designation thing. From what I have read, and gathered, MML takes place roughly 1000 years (or more, of course) after the "MMX" series. Also, in MMX (was it 5? Or 6? I never played anything past X1, I just read about them), MMX comments that he wants to create "Elysium" (as I'm sure has been mentioned on this board multiple times), a place where humans and robots can coexist peacfully. Well, the way I see it is that MMX got his dream, eventually.

However, based on the way the system is set up, I highly doubt that MMX was actually the one that built it. Though it would seem to me that it was built on his ideal. What I see is that MMX was the greatest Maverick Hunter of all time, and his ideals were held so dearly that eventually, those in power (the robots, it would seem) formed Elysium to embody thier interpretation of MMX's dream.

But, as can be seen, those ideals were twisted, and not followed the way MMX would have followed them. The Master was the last true human, so the entire system was dedicated to protecting him (which is what MMX would have done as well, since he never wanted harm to come to humans). However, as part of the workings of the system, humans became god-like, and the carbons were created as a plaything. When they got out of hand, the system could purge them. When the humans wanted to do something different, they could start over.

The thing is, The Master was around for so long, that he grew attached to the carbons, and began to see their humanity (something that he had basically lost). Knowing that they system was incapable of sharing the feelings he had, he selected a unit (basically any unit) to take under his wing. With this unit so close to him at all times, he was eventually able to teach it how to feel, and have emotion. He was able to teach it how to see that the carbons were something of worth, and that the system needed to be taken down because it would eradicate the carbons. Obviously, this unit was MM Trigger. Also, as stated previously, any unit would do (basically). But, The Master chose a unit that he knew would be capable of taking down the system. From what I understand, MMT was the name of the model that was in the top class (nothing better) of Abberant hunter units (I'm sure they have a specific name, but I can't remember what it is right now). Either that, or MM is the name of the Abberant hunter units, and Trigger is his specific designation (sort of like R2-D2 was an R2 unit, and D2 designated specifically which one).

As for MM Juno, Juno was a Bueracratic model. He was not ment for fighting. He was ment for politics, and keeping tabs on how things are running. If the MM name designates "Top of the line" then Juno's model was one of the highest ranking of the Bueracratic type, with the designation of Juno (sort of like a serial number). At least, that's my take on it. And that's why, in MML, MMT was able to assume Bueracratic control in the absence of Juno. Juno was considered and Abberant unit, and MMT's authority was still accepted as legit by Eden, so he over-rode Juno because of that.

As for Eden, it would seem to me (and this is speculation here, of course) that it's part of the "old system" that is refered to at the end of MML2. Elysium acted as the central control unit, and kept everything under control. But, when MMT shut it down, the old system started to come back online. Since Elysium no longer had control over the units, they were starting to do what they were built to do. If my speculation is correct, then Eden (or Eden's as could be the case) would start to reinitialize the islands.

This being said, the question comes up, "Why was Eden going to reinitialize Kattelox, if it was part of the greater system?" It's quite possible that Kattelox was an experimental island, and they set it up so that it would reset every 100 years (or so. That's what I remember the game saying the time differance was). They were just using it to gather data, or perhaps even as a breeding ground for the carbons to see how carbons would react in different situations.

Anyway, if you couldn't tell, I REALLY REALLY want to see MML3. Obviously, a lot of my ideas are basically speculation, but at least I have some basis for it. As always, comments are quite welcome. I hope that, sort of, helps answer the question this thread was started for. Mouser X over and out.