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Post by infinity on Oct 1, 2005 0:13:27 GMT -5
I don't know why, but the "Megaman" part of Juno's name confuses me to no end. I've replayed Legends one a few times, and I've yet to see how the Megaman part is significant. We don't see any other Megaman models aside from Trigger himself, which at first led me to believe that "Megaman" units have something special that other units do not posses. But yet, in Legends 2, Roll states that she simply named Trigger after a favorite character of hers. Is this some sort of problem in consistancy on the writers part, or a bad translation, or a good ole' fashion plot hole?
Personally, I think the Megaman units have some major connection between one another. Juno states that he knows Trigger from past experiences, after all. Maybe the "Megamen" were like a Maverick Hunter sort of team. A beurocratic model as the brains, while a Purifier works as the brawn, fighting mavericks (or whatever fancy term they use for them. Abberants, I think?). But, that's just a thought.
Also, and this doesn't really deal with much about "Megaman", but is Eden actually Eulsyium, or is it more of an orbital space station, which is made specifically for reinitiallizing Carbons on Kattlox/other places? Just curious.
E: Also, I am quite aware of my terrible spelling. It is not my forte.... u_u
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Post by pitch on Oct 1, 2005 0:40:03 GMT -5
"MegaMan" is a classification. I'm not quite sure why, but it seems that the higher ranking units may've been designated MegaMan with corresponding classification. There is no way of assuming this other than going by MegaMan Juno and MegaMan Trigger. Potential of there being other MegaMans is pretty good.
Trigger is more than likely offset from the other Megas. X perhaps, but not necessarily. Only thing to go by on that end is the Master's interest in him - were he to be a normal system unit, what need for interest would there be? The Master would've been interested, I think, in X's AI systems, since the System was cold and mechanic, which would explain that, but again, nothing's been proven. He may've been the basis for other Megas, thus the MegaMan prefix would be added. There's a lot up in the air as far as it goes, but it's safe to assume, I think that the System composed of more than 2 MegaMans.
The weird thing is that Roll ironically names MegaMan MegaMan after Barrel finds him on Nino island. Roll names him after a Video Game Character, more than likely none other than the Classic MegaMan. It's a million to one shot that that would actually happen, but it did, and well yeah... It's really.. I mean it's a MegaMan game, so they have to name him MegaMan(back then, if he weren't called MegaMan till the end, fans with their "It's not MegaMan!" arguements would riot in the streets), so I can see why it's like that, but yeah. It is a bit strange.
Eden is more than likely a rung lower than Elysium. Or a part of Elysium more than likely. I think it may be the place in charge of production of units, as Juno seems to imply that through Eden he can aquire a Back Up shell. Elysium is like the whole thing. I dunno.
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Post by Aim on Oct 1, 2005 1:31:58 GMT -5
Ah, I'd been wondering that very same question lately. Then again, Roll never actually doesn't actually ever mention that incident of naming him Megaman, so, as long as we're on the subject of coincidences, is it also possible that when Barrel found Megaman he had some way to identify him as such? He might have made up the story in order to shelter Megaman from the truth that he has these mysterious origins. It's actually even possible that Barrel knew more about the history of Megaman than he ever let on. He's never really around to talk about it.
Hrmm... I hate posting late at night. I can't organize my thoughts. I don't really think it's a plot hole, just a REALLY UNBELIEVABLY coincidential circumstance.
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Post by pitch on Oct 1, 2005 8:31:49 GMT -5
Nah, it's in Barrel's journals in either MML1 or 2, he says that Roll named him after her favorite video game character. [/u].[/quote] There it is. And that other bolded stuff is for all those who doubt that MegaMan and Roll were raised as brother and sister. Not part of the family you say? Gee I wonder why I'd ever think otherwise.
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Post by Servbot42 on Oct 1, 2005 10:30:09 GMT -5
Someone could have already addressed this, but I'm far too lazy to read the other posts right now.
Anyway, MML is the future of MMX, which is the future of MM, right? Well, isn't possible that, over all that time, calling robots things like Fireman or Electricman or Megaman would have caught on? My knowledge of Megaman other than Legends is extremely limited, but wasn't Megaman famous in the original MM? And...uh....*dosn't know anything about the X series*
I need to go find something with information about the X series. I'll finish my incoherent ramblings when I do.
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Post by Aim on Oct 1, 2005 11:48:01 GMT -5
I know it's in his journals; they're right in his room, pretty obviously. What I'm saying is that Barrel was a smart man. Maybe there was something at the scene of recovering Megaman which he wanted to hide from him? Maybe he wanted to let Megaman grow up feeling as normal as possible, so he didn't tell him about any of this? Megaman has never actually bothered to ask Roll about his name; he's just taken what he got from Barrel. Therefore, it's possible Barrel's written words are just a coverup for the real purpose behind Megaman's name. It's also possible he intentionally left the journal out there so Megaman would see it and be comforted in the fact that he was a normal being, just like everyone else.
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Post by pitch on Oct 1, 2005 13:51:34 GMT -5
That's a bit of a streeeetch, don't you think? If there were any evidence to suggest that other than "Oh Barrel's a smart man", maybe but really, that's just a kinda random idea... o.o
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Post by Heat Sonata on Oct 1, 2005 14:18:54 GMT -5
If you think about it, it isn't that unlikely that Megaman would both be the name of a video game character and the prefix for system units. After all, how original of a name is "Megaman" in the first place? It doesn't seem strange at all that two it would be used in two places if nobody knew about the other place using it. On another note, just because Barrel says Megaman is like part of the family, doesn't imply anything. Also, those journals were written a little ways back, right? The situation may have changed since then.
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Post by pitch on Oct 1, 2005 14:30:58 GMT -5
Further irony, you see the original MegaMan on TV in the Misadventures of Tron Bonne, and iirc there's something in the bar in Yosyonke. MegaMan was probably something of a (dare I say) Legend at the time of DASH though so yeah, it's easily possible. But what're the odds that MegaMan would be the living Legend himself? Also no it doesn't imply anything, it says it flat out in plain english. If you deny it still that says something about your intelligence...
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Post by Breakman on Oct 1, 2005 16:27:58 GMT -5
A bit off topic: How old is Roll? I thought she was younger than Trigger... but now that Pitch reminded me of Barrel's journal entry, my previous thought can't be right. I always got the impression when ever I read that entry that the Caskett family was naming Trigger like a pet dog or something. ^^;
I never gave it much thought why Juno had a "Megaman" prefix. I think, way off in imagining, that the Master could have met or known Megaman X. Since X is long gone, the Master made units called "Megaman" in memorial. Hea. ^^;
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Post by pitch on Oct 1, 2005 16:33:46 GMT -5
Roll would have to be older than MegaMan actually... It would seem that way. She'd be talking which is what... 8 or 9 months old at least, and playing video games... gotta be a good year or two difference maybe. I've thought about this before, but I dunno if Capcom ever mentioned exact ages of characters...
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Post by Heat Sonata on Oct 1, 2005 18:29:57 GMT -5
Ages were mentioned. I know they were in an instruction booklet and on several other sites, but they conflicted so much most people just say "teenage".
And Pitch... something is wrong with my intelligence for not believing Roll and Mega are brother and sister simply because of that? Barrel wrote that journal upon finding and naming Megaman: there is no reason the bonds could not have changed by now. The way I see it, there are plenty of "childhood friend" couples who end up together later. To this you might say, "but they live in the same house!" I don't believe that changes anything. Honestly. They are definitely not blood relations, that's proven. All there is to go by is that they've grown up in the same house, but since Megaman's given roll flowers and a ring, and Barell hasn't had any obvious objections to their relationship (no mentioned "private talks"), AND neither of them even really seem to have any strangeness toward the idea when it becomes apparent... I don't think there is really an obstruction. I understand if you have your opinion... but it's ONLY an opinion. There is no FACTUAL basis that it's a family relationship.
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Post by Santa Melty on Oct 1, 2005 19:51:40 GMT -5
Well, if you want my take on this, I have to agree with Pitch for the most part. The name Megaman appears just about everywhere in the game. We could chalk it up to the fact that it is a Megaman game, but story-wise, surely there must be some connection. Every generation of games in the plots before Legends had some guy named Megaman. Then, the system picks it up from somewhere. From there, it could have leaked to the carbons from any number of sources. The question would be HOW it is the name got scattered about so much as to the point that they actually came to name Trigger ‘Megaman’, be it coincidence or otherwise. The suggestion of Barrel knowing about Megaman’s origins seems like too much of a stretch. Although possible, it seems to me that he was as ignorant to the workings of the System as anyone else before they uncovered Sera. And if he did know something, he probably would have discussed it with Bleucher before their trip to the Forbidden Island. Again, Bleucher seemed just as dim regarding the situation as Barrel. But back to the topic, we can at least assume that the name has some significance to the System and the Master, since both Juno and Trigger received the title. Trigger especially, since he was so close to the Master. Was it just one of them, I would not have been concerned, but two of them with the same name indicates that there must have been a string of units with the same title. Why simply name two, completely irrelevant units Megaman? There must be more. If and when Roll named Trigger, it seemed to have been one huge coincidence. Still, you have to pity the guy, walking around his entire life named after a children’s cartoon/videogame character... But it seems to be too much of a coincidence that the name was simply thought up by the System. It must have been taken from one of the characters of a previous series, one way or another. Trigger was clearly important to the master, so surely the title was equally important. Then again, one has to wonder what a small-fry like Juno would be doing walking around with such a title if that were true... So, ‘Megaman’ was taken by the system from the past generations of Megaman, and the name was leaked to the carbons in some way. I’d say they probably found a bureaucratic unit with the title, like Juno. Such a finding would surely be some kind of news. It would easily spread the name. Either that, or perhaps they found some sort of artifact pointing to the existence of a person named Megaman. Heck, perhaps it WAS just all one huge twist of fate when the carbons named their videogame character Megaman. It’s one of those oh so plentiful topics we have next to no evidence for. Anyway, the carbons make their little franchise, Trigger is found, Roll gives him his embarrassing name, and badabing, you would have Legends. A stretch, yes, but what isn’t in this game? As for Juno, well... He was Juno. Named after a god of a dead religion, or a brainchild of the System? We may never know. And Eden... I believe Eden to be something of a home away from home for each district. It definitely was not part of Elysium, as it seems to be orbiting the planet freely. It can perform various functions that are evidently not possible in the ruins, which seem to be limited to merely keeping tabs on the district and controlling happenings within the ruins themselves. In fact, Eden is probably more important then the machinery in the ruins, since it seems to hold much of the vital district information, including data about the master key (as well as other units, since Juno said that it was possible to upload a backup of Trigger's memory from Eden's files) and the reinitialization program. Also, check this here pictograph. www.legends-station.com/mml2/screenshot.php?screen=106Edens! Lots of them. They’re like little space roaches... At least, they look like Edens. They seem to have the same shape as the one that was shown in Legends 1. But what else could they be? Make of it what you will. Anyway, if they are Eden, then it would support the idea that Eden is not physically part of Elysium. It would also make some sense that they would be in orbit, since it would prevent the Carbons, or anything else for that matter, from directly tampering with the data, as well as make each of the stations more accessible to them big-time pencil-pushers up in Elysium. As to Megaman and Roll's relationship... I have to clue how that came up. I'll need to read this thread again.
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Post by pitch on Oct 1, 2005 20:47:37 GMT -5
We should work a Eden into the RPG if that's the case... As to Megaman and Roll's relationship... I have to clue how that came up. I'll need to read this thread again. The quote from Barrel's journal. To think he says it in plain english, yet people doubt that Roll and MegaMan were raised as family... irritatingsonata, Barrel doesn't object to anything because there's nothing there. Roll makes it clear that she cares about MegaMan, but never in any sort of a romantic way, correct me if I'm wrong. The things MegaMan buys/finds for Roll could easily be because of all the things SHE builds for him(weapons and whatnot).
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Post by Aim on Oct 1, 2005 21:02:50 GMT -5
Well, I think that now I may actually know a little more to support my theory that Barrel knows more than he lets on. See, once again I say, Barrel is a pretty intelligent guy. How in the world could he have let anyone have to suffer with the name of a character so popular he fills comic books, TV screens, so forth and so on. Because, as my brother stated earlier, Megaman is a fairly cliche' name, it is quite possible that the cartoon/game series already existed and was a perfect coverup. Barrel would have been a fool to simply actually allow his granddaughter to name him like that. I don't think this is any more illogical than the idea that Roll actually named him. That seems entirely farfetched to me. It's pretty believable to me that Barrel made this up as a cover story, since, as I said before, he knows that, not only Megaman, but anyone else who heard about it would be appauled to learn that Megaman came from anything like the same source as Juno or Reaverbots. Therefore, Barrel kept it a tight secret for as long as possible. And lord, I've decided to drop the Roll/Megaman thing. I'm a Tronist anyways, and I've argued about it too much on the Interordi already. Reading back over this, that's terrible grammer.
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