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Post by Anti-Jump Springs on Sept 14, 2005 17:11:23 GMT -5
You know, I'm not really going to go into the debate this far, but I think I'm going to agree with the people saying Juno could be both/neither. Of course, we could always sit on the fence and refer to Juno as a (s)he.
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Post by rockmandash on Sept 15, 2005 11:49:20 GMT -5
Just label juno as unknown because it seems no one can determine his gender so get it over with (Even though I still think its a Machine with no gender)
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Post by Breakman on Sept 22, 2005 18:40:39 GMT -5
I agree with Fab on that "artist's interpretation of Juno." I also don't totally believe how Megaman is drawn too. The painting, I think, is only the idea of the battle, not how it actually looked like... and that's the case in many paintings in real life.
And about Juno's name, the same questioning has been directed to Harupuia in the Megaman Zero series. Many of the characters, if not all, reference Roman, Greek, or Christian beliefs and/or mythology. His name is clearly a reference to Greek mythology "Harpies" (monsters that are part human female and part eagle), but in the game (both the English and Japanese) Harupuia is male with a male voice. (But even with this official info, people keep question if he is a girl.) So... I wouldn't judge Juno on his name alone because of the cases of Harupuia and Serenade (since Pitch mentioned him).
(Crap, there's a second page... (I'm not use to that small drop down menu...) ^^; If I just repeated what someone said, please excuse and ignore me. XP )
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Post by pitch on Sept 22, 2005 19:00:37 GMT -5
And a third page...
I gotta make up a song or something when it comes to repeating myself, since lately I've done it a million times.
Once more, though, it wasn't really a question of he or she, so much as it was He or It. In retrospect I suppose it was a stupid question, but Capcom sorta played with people on what Serenade was(hence my reference to Her/Him), so I considered it possible since they kinda play with ya on Juno, and he fits the same reasons Capcom stated that Serenade is neither.
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Post by infinity on Sept 22, 2005 19:42:47 GMT -5
Though my knowledge on mythology is a tad rusty, wasn't the original (i.e, not Megaman-related) a female?
I've always considered him a very girly male, ala Serenade, but there is always room for interpretation. Has anyone heard his Japanese VA?
In any case, I truly believe Juno is male. Juno's battle suits seemed more masculine than not, especially when compared to Sera. And the museum painting leads me to expect a male as well.
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Post by Heat Sonata on Sept 22, 2005 20:42:51 GMT -5
Though my knowledge on mythology is a tad rusty, wasn't the original (i.e, not Megaman-related) a female? I've always considered him a very girly male, ala Serenade, but there is always room for interpretation. Has anyone heard his Japanese VA? In any case, I truly believe Juno is male. Juno's battle suits seemed more masculine than not, especially when compared to Sera. And the museum painting leads me to expect a male as well. I'm pretty sure the whole Japan-female Dubbed-male thing resolves the Serenade thing... since Serenade was female in Japan, where the game was originally released, I've always assumed that to be correct. And yeah, I think Juno's a male... for all those reasons, plus it just seems like it's more fun for me to draw him as a big-bad villain guy than have to imagine him as a woman.
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Post by infinity on Sept 22, 2005 21:19:52 GMT -5
No, no Serenade was not. I recieved, from a very reliable source (in Asia) that that was not true, and simply an rumor. I can give you the evidence if you want, but there is a lot of cussing in the rant. Serenade was always a male; translated, the text from both Darkman and Yamatoman refer to Serenade as "him".
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Post by pitch on Sept 22, 2005 23:16:55 GMT -5
Straight from the horse's mouth though, some guy in charge at wherever they do the EXE games specifically said that Serenade is genderless. Meant to embody the best qualities of both genders in a divine manner. Incredible power(associated with a male(not my words, the guy-who-said-it's)) coupled with great compassion. A god-like navi beyond gender... heheh... the navi incarnate of Narcy(okay that bit's a joke, but... get it? ) I don't remember who said this exactly, so I may not be the most reliable of sources, but if you wanna go over to Rockman.EXE Online, or PMM to verify, please feel free. If you wanna get into the specifics of the games... In the games, iirc, Serenade was referred to without gender. It's hard for us to grasp that because the only genderless pronoun we have for describing someone is "It". But in MMBN3 in Japan, supposedly, Serenade was referred to in a gender neutral manner. Later followed up in the EXE encyclopedia Yamatoman's profile used a male pronoun(don't recall hearing about Darkman), and then further down the line, sometime last year, iirc, someone threw in the "No Gender" thing.
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Post by Aim on Sept 23, 2005 13:58:41 GMT -5
Alright, so I guess Juno is to be pegged as "no gender" as well. Really, er, it makes sense, since technically, the only human-like part of him is the head. I don't think there's anything to distinguish him as otherwise.
Yes, Juno was a woman in mythology (the wife of Zeus). She was very jealous, and constantly meddled in the affairs of Zeus and tormented attractive women... for thinking they were more attractive than she was. Hrmm... I'm really not sure what any of it has to do with the Juno in the game.
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Post by DriftingTrigger on Oct 5, 2005 7:01:00 GMT -5
I didn't read anything besides most of the first page of this, but I still have something to say.
Zero had boobs and long girly hair, he was a guy. So Juno can have them too!
*dissapears*
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Post by ultratronfan on Oct 11, 2005 19:47:27 GMT -5
No, I don't believe we using the english language have any means of referring to someone genderlessly. You could just as well say Juno's a robot, therefore an "it", but naw. ...so I'm not the first to say he's genderless... darn. did you notice the boob though? To me at first it was a mystery, but i've settled on "he". " He's genderless" ; )
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Post by questionmark on Oct 17, 2005 11:25:58 GMT -5
I don't think I ever went into the museum, but that painting is fascinating. Is there anything else worthy of note in there?
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Post by pitch on Oct 17, 2005 12:43:47 GMT -5
Not particularly. The room upstairs houses any relics you find in the ruins which are kinda phun to look at I shpose, and of course, gathering all of them, the girl in the green dress gives you a part needed for the Shining Laser, which some people like for some reason. The rest of the paintings, if I remember right, aren't particularly interesting. I can't check though. I can't seem to find my CD for the game, and my computer that had it installed got hosed so I may be wrong.
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Post by Aim on Oct 17, 2005 13:43:05 GMT -5
One of the objects, the "reaverbot bell" or something to the effect, is retrievable and displayed in the museum. The same artifact is also in the junk store on Nino Island! ..... Not that it really pertains to anything, but that's the only other relatively interesting thing I can remember. Oh yes, this might be speculatory, but in some ways the reaverbot bell resembles one of Juno's arms. That parts just speculatory though.
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Post by rockmandash on Oct 18, 2005 9:49:26 GMT -5
I was play MML yesterday and then it hit me, if the ancients had genders, why did they intend to have andriods( or whatever) with genders? They should explain this much better in one of the MMX series in my opinion. and also if the encients had no deseases or anything that causes death, then what happened to the other ancients? Some of these Questions should help answer about Juno's gender if he has a Gender...Or what if he was intended to be a prototype, a perfect beginning? What then? But what proof is there to determine this? They need to bring out another insallment of the game to address these issues in my opinion.
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