Cleveland Rock
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Post by Cleveland Rock on Jan 23, 2010 16:36:03 GMT -5
While I stand by my statement that the five-word rule is "bullcrap", I had no idea my protest would lead to this. Please don't talk like this is the end of the forum; I'd hate to think I accidentally caused the death of MMLS…
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Post by fAB on Jan 23, 2010 16:56:08 GMT -5
Cleveland RockI don't think you need to worry. Also, If he could have just dumped the illusion that the staff hated and was out to get him and realized they were only enforcing the rules that he as a member should have been following all along, then I think he would have been fine here despite his sandpapery personality. I'm one of the few who has been striving to see Mir@k gone from the start, I'll openly admit it, even though I'm under the impression that it's pretty much an understood scenario anyway... Well quoted, Green. Placed together, these seem almost emarrassingly contradictory. I'm well aware that Dashe has been sick of Mir@k's troublemaking and attitude for sometime, a sentiment which I'm sure all the staff shares to varying degrees. The desire to see him gone kind of goes hand in hand with that, seeing as reform on Mir@k's part seemed about as likely as world peace. To my knowledge though, nobody has been making attempts to get him banned like antagonizing him, luring him into confrontational situations in hopes he'll break the rules, etc. Such efforts would surely fall under the heading of "striving" to see him gone. Bad word choice there, Dashe, if I do say so myself. Unless you literally have been "striving" to see him gone. If that's the case then God help us. o.o;
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Post by Santa Melty on Jan 23, 2010 16:59:17 GMT -5
I meant that last post I made to be partially in jest, but... I guess that was a bad idea? Man. I’m depressed over this. I feel like there was some serious misunderstanding going on somewhere that we mods just didn’t make enough of an effort to clear the air of. I don’t feel like saying much now, but Mirak was, in the end, a creative, active, contributing member who had strong opinions and wasn’t afraid to voice them. Those are good traits, and I think it’s a shame we couldn’t make peace. I’m pretty sure I’ll bump into him again elsewhere at some point, so I guess this isn’t really goodbye for me, but farewell from these forums, at least. In a weak attempt to get this thread back on its intended track, does anyone else have any problem with the word count rule or the practice of noting posts? Or anything other policies, for that matter? Because seriously, we do want to hear stuff like that.
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Post by Dashe on Jan 23, 2010 18:54:08 GMT -5
To my knowledge though, nobody has been making attempts to get him banned like antagonizing him, luring him into confrontational situations in hopes he'll break the rules, etc. Such efforts would surely fall under the heading of "striving" to see him gone. Bad word choice there, Dashe, if I do say so myself. This is exactly why I try not to post at all in times of extreme stress like this, at the risk of seeming oblivious, non-caring, or lazy to the general forum population. I was referring to something more of an expression of "When it came down to situations calling for a staff 'to-ban-or-not-to-ban' vote, I typically voted 'ban.'" I wasn't going out of my way to provoke him (or anyone else) into getting banned. I'm more than sure that if I had been literally striving to see him banned, it would have been cartoonishly obvious.
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Post by Blues on Jan 23, 2010 22:06:57 GMT -5
I never really talked to Mir@k that much, but the one or two times I did, he seemed like a decent guy. Obviously not the best way to leave a forum, but it's kind of a shame that's gone. As for the rule itself, well it seems like a "common sense" thing if you ask me.
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Post by Qwertman on Jan 23, 2010 23:13:58 GMT -5
Farewell Mir@k, you will be missed. At least you went out with a bang, that last post of yours made my day. ...Not that I support harassment but good lord his rants have a certain quality about them. Please mods, although it is full of obscenity I think the post should be left alone, in honor of all the GOOD things he's done around here. English is my FIRST language and I don't think I could rant so fluently (and entertainingly!).
Well, assuming you can read this Mir@k, hopefully one day we will once again end up on MSN at the same time and you can let me know if you've found some other forum worth joining.
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Post by Buster Cannon on Jan 24, 2010 0:04:29 GMT -5
Wow, I certainly didn't expect things to go down this way. It's too bad really; Mirak had a lot of potential, and despite his attitude, I don't think he was a bad person at heart. I've even talked with him on MSN on one occasion. He was certainly one of our more intelligent and talented members, and on hand it's kinda sad to see him leave, but on the other hand his disrespect towards the staff and superiority complex ultimately led to his downfall.
@mirak
If you read this, take care, and good luck wherever you end up! No hard feelings on this end.
While I stand by my statement that the five-word rule is "bullcrap", I had no idea my protest would lead to this. Please don't talk like this is the end of the forum; I'd hate to think I accidentally caused the death of MMLS… ...but what transpired here in the past day or so is nothing I'm happy about. I wish I'd kept quiet. What happened here isn't anyone's fault but Mirak's; everybody's in charge of their own decisions, and his simply led to this. I won't deny the fact that this incident left a dense cloud in it's wake, though.
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Post by Pitch on Jan 24, 2010 0:56:13 GMT -5
What happened here isn't anyone's fault but Mirak's; everybody's in charge of their own decisions, and his simply led to this. While I wouldn't say I "blame" myself for Mir@k leaving, I most definitely contributed. When I saw Mir@k pop in on the discussion I decided to back out because I knew this subject would get touchy very fast, but then I just had to jump back in and get an argument going. >__< @fab I may be more paranoid than most members here, (paranoia and cynicism go hand in hand ) but I tend to think someone's "out to get me" when they specifically watch for me to make a mistake, in the hopes that they can bust me for it; they don't necessarily have to set up a trap for me to walk into. This is the impression I got from Dashe's post. (@miss Dashe, by all means, correct me if I'm mistaken) This is also the impression I get from looking through posts and seeing other people get away with doing things for which Mir@k would've been busted. We'd like to believe that it's all just business, but I can't help getting the feeling a lot of it was personal. (granted, this originally had very little to do with any of that. o__o)Now then, back to business... In a weak attempt to get this thread back on its intended track, does anyone else have any problem with the word count rule or the practice of noting posts? Or anything other policies, for that matter? Because seriously, we do want to hear stuff like that. I've always wondered this about Notes: is there a notification involved? My understanding of the Notes system depends this. Like, do you send the person a PM? Or do you just leave it there for him to discover on his own? o__o I kind of have to imagine you don't because if you did people wouldn't get all shocked and upset about getting them..
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Post by Dashe on Jan 24, 2010 3:59:35 GMT -5
I tend to think someone's "out to get me" when they specifically watch for me to make a mistake, in the hopes that they can bust me for it; they don't necessarily have to set up a trap for me to walk into. This is the impression I got from Dashe's post. (@miss Dashe, by all means, correct me if I'm mistaken) This is also the impression I get from looking through posts and seeing other people get away with doing things for which Mir@k would've been busted. We'd like to believe that it's all just business, but I can't help getting the feeling a lot of it was personal. (granted, this originally had very little to do with any of that. o__o)I'm usually pretty impartial when it comes to doling out infractions. Like you even said yourself, one or two isn't something to worry about. It really is just business. But when a member racks up with an infraction list upward of thirty infractions long, many of which are direct verbal assaults on other members as well as on the administration itself, you tend to notice what they're posting a little more than usual. It's hardly an intentional thing--more like basic human instinct. In fact, if other members were getting away with lesser infractions and he wasn't, I'd more than wager it was probably during one of the times when Mir@k was causing enough trouble to keep the entire staff occupied on his case alone. Not bringing exact numbers up here, but it definitely happened more than once in the past year alone. And please note that this is the same year in which he was temp-banned for three months--so technically it was more like nine months. Staff tie-ups like that would cause other rule-breaking instances from other members to slip through the cracks, creating an illusion of bias from an outsider standpoint. And on top of that, dealing with a recurring troublemaker is exhausting enough that the last thing you'd want to do after a huge flare-up like this is write up a bunch of other infractions. And I didn't even *catch* his last infraction! If things did get personal, it would really only have to be towards the end. The reaction he made to the last official write-up he got from Buster Cannon was completely out of line. Buster was really just doing his job and received a hostile response, which, for a new staff member, must have been awful. Like getting a job and being berated by a client on your first day, almost. But as Buster himself said, even assuming it was a personal thing, the only one responsible for any kind of grudge-forming at all, in my mind or anyone else's, would be Mir@k himself. If I worded that completely wrong, I apologize in advance. It's been a rough weekend on all fronts. No offense to any mechanics posting or lurking here...but I am rather displeased with their uncanny ability to find more things wrong with your vehicle than the (typically cheap and trivial) thing you'd originally brought the vehicle in for in the first place.Actually, we never note-and-run. All notes are followed up with an infraction PM. In fact, that's why they exist at all--they mark infractions down so that other staff members know it's been reported, written up, and that the poster was PM'd about it. Otherwise a single infraction might accidentally garner three or four staff PMs since there was no clean-cut indicator that an infraction had been reported or not. I'm wondering why they take so many people by surprise in the first place if everyone's getting PMs along with them.
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Post by Santa Melty on Jan 24, 2010 21:27:01 GMT -5
Probably takes so many people by surprise because we don’t explicitly say anywhere in the rules or PMs that we do the whole “noted” thing (might be in the FAQ, if memory serves, though all bets are off on how many people actually read that ). Anyway, the post notes (Ha ha, post notes. Post-it Notes. Get it? Fine, don’t laugh, jerk.) do help to serve the purposes mentioned above, though to be fair, they aren’t NECESSARY for them. In a sense, infractions are recorded in duplicate: once with the “noted” post, and once in the logs kept in the staff section. The staff section logs are meant to be more permanent, while the “noted” thing essentially serves the more short-term purpose of saying “Yeah, don’t worry guys, I got this one” to the other mods. It’s a helpful time-saver in that way, but isn’t really needed to keep posts from being written up more than once or anything, since we could just look into the staff logs if we really wanted to. The post notes help, and during their original inception they did serve a much greater purpose, but in the end they’re more a matter of convenience these days. As far as we can tell, most people don't seem to have a problem with the practice, which, for the most part, is why it’s lingered around for so long. Correct us if we're wrong on that.
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Post by UNIT 0918 on Jul 24, 2010 18:59:53 GMT -5
Regarding post counts: I think it's perfectly fine because it helps us avoid posts like "lol" or "lol that was awesome". I mean, no one wants to read that crap anyway. And like people's been saying, it encourages you to explain your post so that others may enjoy and understand what you're saying. Regarding Mir@k: Even though I don't know him too well, I do know that he's really passionate about MegaMan Legends and contributed a lot over here. But I have to say that going so far as insulting the members and admin was a little too much. No comment on whether he deserved to be banned or not. So anyway Mir@k, I think I still have your MSN, so feel free to chat with me anytime. I believe I once helped you with the music you composed for a different game. I wouldn't mind helping you again with anything else.
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Post by blayze16 on Jul 25, 2010 5:28:38 GMT -5
Haha. Thanks for that. word5 I'm just gonna say that word fillers do not count as words the same way letter fillers count as letters. But I can say that what I've said at least means something unlike the emotionally ambiguous "5char" I see on other forums.
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Post by Speculator on Oct 16, 2011 0:43:28 GMT -5
So um, I had a question. What time zone does this site/ forum operate off of? It shows that my posts are being posted two hours into the future 0_o
Oh, and if you're wondering why I haven't been speculating so much, its probably because I'm lazy haha
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Post by Chiz on Oct 16, 2011 1:06:52 GMT -5
What time zone does this site/ forum operate off of? It shows that my posts are being posted two hours into the future You can properly set your timezone by going to the bottom of the 'Modify Profile' page. It's one of the last options in the list.
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Post by Speculator on Oct 16, 2011 1:17:19 GMT -5
What time zone does this site/ forum operate off of? It shows that my posts are being posted two hours into the future You can properly set your timezone by going to the bottom of the 'Modify Profile' page. It's one of the last options in the list. Ok, but now it says that it's the 24th of December. Oh and just to make sure.. we're on DLS right?
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