Teisel Bonne
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Post by Teisel Bonne on Apr 3, 2006 11:52:46 GMT -5
yes, buuut, because she is worried doesent mean she loves him, if your brother went off to a strange planet and had a very large chance of never returning you might be a bit worried?
roll wouldnt know what to do because megaman provides for the family maybe?
i dont know, im going to pull out of this argument
*runs to the safety of the motb section*
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Post by Heat Sonata on Apr 3, 2006 14:49:56 GMT -5
3) I'm not saying she doesn't do her job, just I mean c'mon. I don't know how dark it would be in the ruins, but if that were the case, wouldn't Roll spring to make MegaMan some Night Vision Goggles? I mean, if it is so dark in the ruins and Roll doesn't provide you with a means to see, I'd say she doesn't do her job then. Just a thought. Regardless.. All I know, is that playing MegaMan Legends, I could've gotten by without Roll, but if Tron hadn't shut the trap down, all the Kattleoxians would be dead. I think the only reason Roll was actually needed in Legends 1 was to get you into the Clozer Woods ruins, though I'll admit, free aerial transport between islands in Legends 2 would be a lot easier than swimming.
As I recall, Roll is piloting the ship that Megaman has to fight the Bonnes' Gesselschaft on. That seems like putting her life on the line to save Megaman's, then that also led to his ability to stop Juno and save the world. It goes without mention that Tron is piloting the Fokkerwolf against him in this battle, and that there wasn't even a real gain at this point in the pirating line. Admittedly, it may be an emotional incentive, but it doesn't seem like Roll does any more evil to Megaman than simply charging a bit for weapons (and I suppose running you over in the spotter car if you happen to be in the way, but I consider that a joke point in the first place).
But I gotta ask ya, she makes ya all these weapons.. would it be that hard to make one for herself to use?
We're kind of discussing in another topic how Megaman's arm weapon works. It may very well be that Megaman's arm weapon is specific, and that all other Diggers with similar weapons had them attatched to replace limbs lost in accidents? In that light, and considering that Megaman has to buy all of his armor seperately, I would be surprised if Roll's area of expertise wasn't simply excelling in Megaman's specific technology. She might not be able to design exterior weapons for herself.
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Post by Pitch on Apr 3, 2006 16:08:59 GMT -5
NOTE: A LOT OF THIS POST IS JUST QUOTING; BE IT PEOPLE WHO'VE POSTED HERE OR THE GAMES THEMSELVES. DON'T BE DISCOURAGED TO READ, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT LONG.
UMM... YEAH. WHEN I ORIGINALLY SET OFF TO TYPE THIS I HAD MORE TO SAY.. IGNORE THAT NOTE, HMM? The Gesellschaft attack and the attacks in the water were both surprise attacks. What's she gunna do? Plunge the ship down in the middle of nowhere, and pray that she doesn't hit any civilians?? The plan the Bonnes had was to get MegaMan and Roll out of the picture so they could take whatever was in the Main Gate. Teisel: Tron! Once he finds the treasure, we'll wait for our chance and take it
for him!
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Teisel: Hee hee hee hee hee! Now that he's opened up the Main Gate for us, we
don't need to keep him around anymore! Time to blow him and that little ship of
his to kingdom come! All board cannons, prepare to fire!
(Gesellschaft's cannons are aiming for the Flutter)
Teisel: Fire! Yes, this was an attempt at both their lives, but at that point it had become personal. It's... excusable. I don't think the initial plan was to kill both MegaMan and Roll, but following the destruction of the Gesellschaft, Tron took over to get back at them for hurting Teisel. And perhaps for destroying that ship, which if my memory serves had been the cause of quite a large debt. Regardless.. Teisel: Hee hee hee hee hee hee...You didn't think you'd be able to get take care
of us that easily, did you!? Ummm! But they still managed to get me--I can't
move my arm! It's up to you, Tron! Get him!
Tron: Leave it to me, Teisel! He's gone too far this time! No more playing
around!
Tron (after battle starts): I'll show him! Perhaps with the exception of the water battle where Roll could've zipped the thing back to the docks and told MegaMan to swim for it, I suppose, it was life or death.. Not that I think she would abandon MegaMan if she had the chance, but she didn't choose to be in the situation, it was just thrown at her. Tron is no different than any other carbon girl, yet she's capable of making a means to battle in the underground ruins. Roll comes from a higher socially-economic status; that she wouldn't be able to aquire such machinery or the parts with which to make it, is entirely out of the question. As for Roll showing that she cares about MegaMan... Let me see.. -You can clearly see something in Tron when MegaMan saves her from... Paprika! That was its name... that's been bugging me for a while; I couldn't remember it. -There are at least two times when you hear Tron thinking about MegaMan. I wanna say before the Feldynaught 1, after the.. frog.. guy 2. and after Bruno 3. 1Tron (thinking out loud): Who was that? Wait! Wasn't that the same boy as
before? He disabled the Blumebears by himself? I don't understand--whenever I
think about him, I get this...funny feeling...
Tron (angry): Oh, forget it! Who cares what this feeling is!? It's all his
fault! His fault! How dare he!? I'll teach him not to mess with me--or my kids! 2I don't understand...Even though he got the better of us again, I
don't feel the least bit angry...What is that? 3Tron (thinking): Then, does this mean, I'll never see him again!? -If those aren't enough there's the scene in the Main Gate. Doesn't get much clearer than that. Tron: It's not over between you and me! I won't forgive you if you die or
anything stupid like that, so be careful in there, OK!? -In addition, there's a scene in Pokte Village "You're looking as goooooood as ever." etc, which I think shows a physical attraction. Tron: Long time no see, MegaMan! Ha! I had a feeling I might run into you
here! You're looking as good as ever! Well, as good as you can,
considering how that good-for-nothing blonde treats you! -In Kimotoma Ruins, you hear her and Bonne talking when MegaMan shows up. Tron seems upset about this, then Bon says "Babuu?" and Tron says something to the effect of "Yeah, but I just don't want to see him now." I don't know what connection you drew from that, but I definitely thought something similar to the previously mentioned bits. Bon: Babu!
Tron: It must be really solid if even you can't knock it down! If we could
just get that rock to fall, we could probably get the lava to stop...We've
got to hurry, though, Teisel says MegaMan's already here!
Bon: Babu, babu! Babu!
Tron: True, it's just that I don't want to see him right now, you know what
I mean?
Roll: MegaMan? Is there somebody else there?
MegaMan: Uh, yeah, it's uh, um, uh...
Tron (notices MegaMan): Huh? Ah!
MegaMan: Uh...
Bon: Ba! Babuu!
Tron (with her Gustaff steaming!): M-MegaMan!
Roll: What's happening, MegaMan? Are there more pirates there?
MegaMan: Uh, yeah, but uh...they're, uh, acting kinda, uh, funny... I say, those scripts really do come in handy... Either way I think Tron's shown enough of her interest in MegaMan to rival that of Roll, her brief lines toward the end of the game and her diary entries.. |
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Post by Heat Sonata on Apr 3, 2006 17:38:10 GMT -5
Tron is no different than any other carbon girl, yet she's capable of making a means to battle in the underground ruins. Roll comes from a higher socially-economic status; that she wouldn't be able to aquire such machinery or the parts with which to make it, is entirely out of the question.How did we decide Tron's so bad off and Roll so well off? Most certainly, Tron is in debt: Teisel mentions they are in the red. They certainly don't come up with all of their robots and the components from thin air, though. Also, it's completely impossible that they would have salvaged the parts somewhere; with the exception of their last-ditch efforts (scrap boat and trains, for example), all of the parts are in such well condition and have so much fire power (not to mention the sheer number) that I have no reason to expect they are poor. Rather, they are in debt; I imagine their primary source of income is from successful raids pre-Megaman and their inheritance. Obviously, since the quality of their robots is not decreasing they are well off enough to make progress. Roll on the other hand, unless she is simply a tightwad scrounger, does not have immediate access to these parts; you have to bring them all to her. She needs money to make them the same way she needs money to buy new living room furniture. The Flutter has few luxuries at all excluding the things you buy, and certainly while flying and realizing the danger involved, including constant pirate attacks, Roll would have weapons on the ship. The fact is that both Tron and Roll have money for the things they need, but not anything extra. Roll has the distinct advantage of having Megaman provide a source of income. The illusion is created that the Bonnes are poor by the way Roll's income is constantly decreasing and the Bonnes' is dropping. Really, both are in the position to create only what they can afford. Which is not unlimited. The potential conversation between Megaman and Roll upon Roll's asking to be provided money to make a super robot (which would already seem a falliable idea to Megaman by the experience he would have telling him how vulnerable such machines actually are) would be interesting. Not to mention he must now calculate repairs for such a robot and Roll's expenses for repairs. It is an unwise decision for Roll to make such a robot and for Megaman to allow it. -In addition, there's a scene in Pokte Village "You're looking as goooooood as ever." etc, which I think shows a physical attraction.Tron: Long time no see, MegaMan! Ha! I had a feeling I might run into you
here! You're looking as good as ever! Well, as good as you can,
considering how that good-for-nothing blonde treats you! I don't see that physical attraction in this point... well, I can see it, but it's also very likely that Tron is getting him off guard for the next lies she is about to fabricate concerning Roll.
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Post by Pitch on Apr 3, 2006 18:07:50 GMT -5
Tell me, what debt were they in, in the first Legends game? From what I saw they were just lookin to get a good haul... Pirates, treasure, I mean c'mon, the two go together like Trigger and Tron. ;P
Perhaps, in one raid the Bonnes could steal more than Caskett and Volnutt would get in one ruin. In the long run though, what you have is Pirates vs. Licenced Explorers. Sure, the Bonnes have much cooler machinery, but I'd say Pirates are definitely lower on the social totem-pole, and as for the economic one, well they steal from people like MegaMan and Roll, so what does that tell you about their economic position? Sure they tried to go the straight and narrow following Legends 1, but the Gustaff(Tron's primary weapon, apart from various Bonne Machines and Mechs) was in existance before then.
as for the other half, ever consider you might have it backward? Maybe the Roll fabrication was a cover so she could say that without him taking it seriously? I mean, after the whole bit about Roll she tried again to get him to come with her and join the Bonnes... She's tried virtually the same thing the year before prior to the Feldynaught fight, and it was obviously because she liked him then... Now a yeatr later and perhaps some developed understanding of that "funny feeling" and it's the same thing over again, just a less direct approach... I'd say, that she thought him looking as good as ever, was perhaps the only shred of truth in all her lines there.
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Post by Aim on Apr 3, 2006 18:21:26 GMT -5
Ha ha. Sorry for my absence here. I haven't been able to think of anything good to say for a while now.  I don't think there's really any doubt that Tron has shown physical and emotional attraction to Trigger. Quint here has provided a lot of evidence, and that's really her selling point to begin with: the fact that she'd be so attracted to somebody who's blown up that many extremely expensive robots, not to mention cutting off the income to their pirating expeditions. On another note, wouldn't the Bonnes still be in debt from paying Loathe and failing to keep the return they stole from Loathe when it was tossed off the ship in MoTB? But then again, yeah, I guess they certainly aren't in debt when you consider how much the Marlwolf apparently cost, and that it was one of the earlier ones in the game. So, I suppose they weren't in debt at all. They probably did pretty well between MoTB and MML1. I suppose you just have to admit, when it comes to the Bonnes... They work hard for their money,
So hard for it, honey,
They work hard for their money,
So you'd better treat em right!But, you know, that's just one point (and I'm not doubting anyone knows, just restating to get myself back on track). The real topic at hand was who deserves Megaman. And... I guess I don't have much to add on that. <_<; I do think that sky pirating is probably a very lucritive business ordinarily in the world of Legends. However, with the Bonnes constant loss of robots, I suppose they aren't exactly rolling in the dough by the end of MML1. |
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Post by Pitch on Apr 3, 2006 18:53:42 GMT -5
MisAdventures of Tron Bonne is the game I played the least, so I'm not certain, but weren't Loathe and Glyde imprisoned at the end? I'm sure they've since 'been released' - and I use that term lightly - but perhaps not by the time of Legends 1 anyway. As far as I know the two games aren't so far apart. I'd assume MegaMan's skills have something to do with Tron's continued interest in him. Tron's a strong woman, and to anyone else a rather formidable foe. For MegaMan to have taken everything she's got, and to still be going. I know she seemed into him before all that, but I really think that from her perspective, that's just impressive. Plus, well.. going back the the frog-guy(I know his name I just can never think of it >_<), it's like she's so head-over-heels that it doesn't really phaze her being beaten all those times. Though, she broke down a bit in Pokte Village. Poor Tron...  |
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Post by Aim on Apr 3, 2006 18:59:32 GMT -5
I suppose there it was hearing him talk to Roll, both of them knowing that she had simply been mimicking Roll's voice. Quite frankly, it was an underhanded trick. It's easy to imagine her being flustered upon its discovery. By doing that, she also made a big slip up by revealing that she cared about Megaman's personal life. There was really a lot of reason for her to break down there.
Not saying you didn't make that clear, I just thought I'd elaborate. Indeed, poor Tron.
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Post by Heat Sonata on Apr 4, 2006 6:47:39 GMT -5
The Bonnes' tendacy to steal from people like Roll doesn't reflect a bad economic position any farther than Teasel's whining when an expensive robot is destroyed or when they later build Bruno from leftovers. Obviously, they make expensive robots that they don't expect to be destroyed. It's a big investment, and that they can afford to make such an investment shows that their inheritance at least warrants a strong fiscal standpoint. They were most certainly not in debt in the first place, but they most definitely are by the end of Legends 1. But, as I had been trying to show earlier, this shows that they had a source of income they fall back on, while Roll has to rely on the success of Megaman to make anything (Megaman's not a bad source, mind you, but he is less definite... presumably. Not taking into account that you need to beat every ruin for story progression). She probably can't afford to make weapons for herself if they aren't needed.
Weren't nearly all of their robots destroyed in the Gesselschaft crash? I never saw any indication that they had a storage warehouse somewhere; they probably set up what they had in Old City temporarily, with only what they had left and the things they may have smuggled out of the Gesselschaft on the Draches. I don't see how the original Gustaff could have survived this. The later one must be a rebuild and remodel on the first.
And certainly, there's an argument for that physical attraction, but I still think that in there with all those lies it could very well have been put in as the same. Not that that's enough evidence to make a difference in Tron's obvious feelings for Megaman, anyways, but that particular incident may not be proof.
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Post by The Dark Chronicler on Apr 7, 2006 7:55:45 GMT -5
All of these fine pionts will be taken into accord. I have small argument to make. As it has been said Miss Caskett is like any other carbon female, that is correct. She lacks the exp. of fighting and relies on Megaman to protect in the ruins or during ship-to-ship battles. Where as Miss Bonne excels at mechanical genious and combat because she is a pirate.
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Post by Pitch on Apr 7, 2006 16:44:47 GMT -5
The Bonnes are definitely good at what they do, I don't doubt that. I mean, geez, Tron had to get like what? 1,300,000 z in MoTB before Loathe took her captive as well? That's a lot of Zenny... particularly when it's not all used to pay for those insanely high-priced weapons upgrades. One could get by off of that for a good while. And well yeah, then there was the huge refractor from the Main Gate. Again, I don't doubt that they're good at their jobs, because all in all, at the end of Legends 1, they got exactly what they were looking for. You have to admire their persistance. I don't doubt that they sit on a good chunk of money, but the socially-economic position goes below that of a Licenced Digger - particularly one of MegaMan's skill. Plus, while they might get a good haul in one place, it's not always a sure thing, so it's certainly not the most stable of careers. As for this inheritance you speak of, I don't remember hearing anything about that, so show me proof it exists and I might take that seriously. Just for a good laugh, in the spirit of the topic, here's a picture from Capcom's website. ;D  ( resized for easier load times. full image, of course here. |
[/sub])[/td][/tr][/table][/center] Yes, the Gustaff in Legends 2 seemed to be a rebuild. Same basic design, but it had some differences about it. I believe instead of walking, it sort of hovered. And it had that shield thing. Still there was one prior to Legends 2, which, I think, was my point. But, yes, most certainly different robots. Just for comparison, a quick check of the main site returned: [tr][td]  Gustaff MisAdventures of Tron Bonne [/td][td]  Gustaff MegaMan Legends 2 [/td][/tr][/table][/center] Well when it comes to that, it's really all a matter of perspective. As far as I know, Roll hadn't ever done anything to Tron, prior to the Pokte village battle that would prompt such behavior. It was all a ploy to get MegaMan to join her and the Bonnes. I'd say there're two reasons to want him to join her: for the fact that she likes him, or for his skills. While the latter certainly exists, I think the former's probably what was on her mind when she came up with that whole plan. Since that line would directly tie into the entire purpose of those incredible lies, I think there's a good chance that it holds some truth. It's probably the only argument I can fully agree with there. Her lack of experience in the field of digging would be a bit of a set-back. Though, even as a spotter starting out, I'm sure she had a lot of room to grow. In fact, I'm certain of it. I seem to recall a line from MegaMan Legends 1: Roll: Remember the first time you went on a dig. MegaMan? I wasn't used to being
a Spotter...And you ended up getting lost underground for three days!...Remember?
We were lucky that Gramps came to help us...I don't know what I would've done if
he hadn't been there... (sidenote: three days?? forget room to grow, that's just terrible..  )So yes, I'm sure that Tron's definitely got more skill than Roll in that area, but I'm also sure if Roll really wanted to, she could develop skill in that area as well. |
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Post by aarond on Apr 9, 2006 19:47:39 GMT -5
I think I already voted for Tron, but I'm not sure if I actually voted or not. Still, I won't vote AGAIN, just in case.
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Post by Heat Sonata on Apr 9, 2006 19:56:47 GMT -5
Er... to be honest, Quint, I don't have any proof at all that that's the case. ^^; I always assumed it from the picture Teisel has on his wall that seems to show his parents well-dressed. Also, he talks as if they came from a respectable family, with his concerns over how Tron acts improper and has to resort to pirating.
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Post by Pitch on Apr 15, 2006 0:04:07 GMT -5
They seem to have come from respectable people, but I'd assume if they had any sort of inheritance it probably helped fund building the Gesellschaft (is it two S's or two L's?). If not that, I'd assume whatever was left of it was gone with the first few Bonne machines in Legends 1. I mean, they had to take a loan - and a big loan at that - in MoTB. You could argue maybe that they were trying to preserve some of whatever inheritance they might have, but well.. look at Legends 2's intro. Glyde: What, did your little department store go under already?
Teisel: Gaahh! No, it hasn't gone under! We just, a little in the red this
month, that's all! Just need a little extra cash to make ends meet!
Tron: If you didn't buy only what you like, maybe we wouldn't be in this
fix! I don't claim to have all the answers, but I'd infer from that line that perhaps the Bonnes aren't that good in managing their money - even when they do have it in good supply(that refractor at the end of Legends 1 had to be worth a good few million). If they had any sort of inheritance it was probably gone by the time they got into the business of plunder and pillage. Of course, I don't believe we know anything of the status of their father. I may be wrong about that, though. |
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Post by Blues on Apr 15, 2006 13:42:23 GMT -5
Well, since there isn't a "Neither" option, I picked not sure. I think someone else might come and steal Tron and Roll's spotlight. ( Sees angry mob(s) again) I get the feeling those guys are following me  ... (Runs) |
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