Now then, shall we continue? (What is MegaMan?)

[SIMSteven]

Ok, since we had a big debate on the "Who does MegaMan belong with?" thread, I think we should continue the debate here because it basically ate the entire topic for a whole page (and then some).

My personal theory:

MegaMan, in his past life, was an android. This could explain the whole "removable arm" dealy with his special weapons. (Artifical human, basically.)

Upon recieving The Master's genetic code sample, MegaMan downloaded his data to merge himself with The Master. After fighting Sera and resetting his system, he changed.

MegaMan then evolved into a perfect hybrid of "man and machine." He grows up like a normal human being, he eats, he sleeps, he has a full range of emotions. On the flip side of the coin, he has detachable arms, incredible armor, and a fighting style that is unmatched.

So that's how I feel. Post anything about how you think that MegaMan exists (for a lack of better wording.... :. Go ahead and say what you think MegaMan is made of and stuff.

[JMC47]

We can't say anything is true, I have a some very complex theories that would go past the 10000 character limit, but those are more to why he exists even though it does have a lot of wierd ideas, 1 of them he is a robot, one he is a beta, an android, ect., one of them is going to be MMLE.

First let me comment on your theory.

It is very believable, with a decent amount of thought into it. But, I think that his arms would of been pulled off by Roll by now. Fighting style that is unmatched(giggles uncontrollably). Megaman is only as good as the player playing the game, if your awesome at the game is fighting style is unmatched, if you suck and had to keep losing, then his fighting style is pathetic.

his armor is unmatched... it is a digging suit, though it does seem to be very strong, I also think that Megaman himself is decently strong, in taking damage.

The one reason I can't believe this theory is because of my personal beliefs, which are much wierder than your theory, I personally believe he is mostly human, that pervents me from understanding the other side, even though I made my own android theories, I can't bring myself to believe them.

This next theory is if he really was a beta, that escaped the reinitialization. I know that he is probably not a beta, and I don't think he is a beta.

Right before the carbon reinitialization program was started, the Carbons were planning a manned flight to the moon. For this they chose a person. I don't have a name, but he is eventually called "Megaman". While the rocket is in flight, the Carbon renitialization program destroys everything on the planet, while "Megaman" heads to the elysium. And basically the Master takes him in. They erase his memory, train him as a purifier, ect. The rest is history.

I know that is one of my "what if" theories, but I think it is a funny idea of a way he could of become what he is.

[GustaffGlyde]

First off, I don’t think MM’s special weapons arm is removable. Remember, you see him in a short sleeved shirt in the intro, and his arm doesn’t look like it could be ripped off. I think the weapons are custom made to work with his arm. Basically, he can place his arm inside the weapon where there is probably something like a handle. He holds onto the handle which has a trigger on it which is what allows him to fire the weapon. Besides, other characters have weapons like MM. Bola, for example, is shown with that weird cut blade like thing on his arm, and other times holding a sword in the same arm.

I guess they could be removable. It is fairly obvious that Digger’s can sustain some serious injuries, so losing an arm would be very possible. To fix the lost arm, a realistic mechanical arm could replace it. Still, I don’t know. Yeah, now we’re probably going to forget about his body and talk about his arms. Hurrah for my off track mind.

I tried to find that weird picture where it looks like his arm is a weird tube on Capcom’s Japanese site… interesting results for sure. Never try going to a Japanese site while using the cheap google translator… Why? Well, let’s just see if you can guess whose profile this is…

In with the empty robber who " in tron appears the コブン ", number 2 of the original roast family. The ti tapper - it is feared with the strategy which mono was made to say to number. The head is cut off, but luck is bad.

Yeah, I have no idea. Anyways, that was the headless “ti tapper” Glyde of the roast family’s profile from my lovely cheap translator.

Now, my theories… yes… foooocus…Dark…. Must… falz…. Concentrate... is… so weak.

Alright, here we go. As I said earlier, my latest theory states that MM used to be an android. His body was destroyed during the battle with Sera and Yuna was somehow able to upload his memories into Data and place his consciousness into a reset Beta, possible using the nano tech which she uses herself later on. Within this new Beta body, MM grew up. This would explain why he has absolutely no memory of his past. Even people who have amnesia can have dreams about their lives before amnesia or they’ll randomly remember something. The only time MM remembers anything is when he is plugged into Data.

Now yes, there are so many things wrong with this one. I started to list them, but then I just stopped. It just isn’t worth it… I listed more reasons why in the “Roll vs. Sera vs. Yuna vs. Tron vs. Barrel vs. Shu vs. everyone else” thread, and I’m too lazy to re-list them.

I think I’ll expand on Justin’s theory some. If MM were somehow a Beta who survived, here is probably how it happened.

As we know, the master has the ability to view anyone and anything on Terra with his giant telescopic TV. He came across MM and basically had him brought to Elysium. There, they cleared his memory, made some enhancements (you’re taking this in a very wrong way aren’t you…), and they made him the Master’s companion. This is possible.

I doubt the Betas could build a spaceship, but let’s entertain this theory for fun. The betas were given access to advanced technology so that they could advance their culture more quickly. Unfortunately things got out of hand. The Betas advanced much faster than expected and soon learned of the Master System which existed on Elysium. They discovered that Elysium and were either curious or angered that the Master was manipulating them like they were mere toys (basically a “Revenge of the Sims” kind of story). To prevent them from reaching Elysium, the CRI program was activated.

During the process, the Master somehow came into contact with MM. two possibilities

• The Master liked MM so he had him saved… yes, this sounds so wrong.
  
  
• Elysium may have sent down some troops, maybe purifiers, to observe the Betas more closely. MM was somehow able to sneak aboard their ship. They found him, but the Master decided to spare him and make him one of them. Like Justin said, they gave him a memory wipe and trained him. They gave him the name MM Trigger, which probably has some meaning to it. Later, he befriended the Master.

Well, it does make some sense. Better than mine. If you pick out all of my theories flaws it’d look like a disturbing piece of Swiss cheese. Yummy…

Oh well maybe the great “barrel of immortality” knows the truth.

My mind isn’t working today… stupid brain…

[JMC47]

I don't believe my theory above is true, I have a lot more complicated theories, much more complicated theories.

I don't believe that Master would befriend a Beta, but he has a special liking for the Betas, so you never know what might happen. I have a brilliant idea, for a joke, data tranfers Megaman's data files to a servbot. That has little to do with the topic though, but I post whatever comes to mind.

Now I truly believe that Megaman has some sort of purifier strength, not in offense, but in defence, Because who else won't die while drowning in lava in Kimotoma. Good times, Good times

If he is just a normal digger, then I believe he MAY have reflexes induced brain alterations to aid Megaman in combat.

Anyone agree with that

[aarond]

Why do some of you guys have a problem with MegaMan being an artificial life-form? It's not only implied by the storyline, it also fits in with the canon. MegaMan (or X, or whoever) is ALWAYS a robot (or AI, in the case of Battle Network). In fact, I would guess that by the time MML's world rolls (seriously, not an intended pun) around, Artificial life-forms would be indistinguishable from natural ones (of course, since Betas are also constructed life-forms, this becomes even more complicated, but let's not digress too much). In fact, MegaMan does so successfully for several years.

Even though Betas are based off human DNA, they're not really human, either, so the whole "robot/human" debate kind of loses its point after a while. MegaMan is definitely an artificially-constructed lifeform of some sort, although to call him a "Robot," and mean it in the same way as C-3PO is obviously incorrect. But, if you were to compare him to the androids in "Blade Runner (or the book, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" by Philip K. D ick---go read it now), that would be a very proper and correct analogy.

I have no idea where some people on this forum got that whacked-out "brain in a different body" theory, but the only way that's even close to accurate is that ALL members of the System can change bodies, i.e., Juno saying a new shell was being prepped for him, Yuna and Sera able to switch bodies. But you're really trying too hard there, folks.

[JMC47]

I don't believe they use brains exactly. I perfectly believe he could be artificially created, but he can't be a robot, there is a real mind in him, without it there can not be emotions, that data is possibly stored in a hard drive, making it possible for them to switch bodies successfully keeping memories and personalities alike. Though I only believe this is possible for Mother Units, Megaman may have a genetically engineered brain, with special functions, even a storage disk within it. Though a processor is going a little far. It is obvious that all the units are mostly DNA and somewhat robot.

[SIMSteven]

I agree. And the whole "MegaMan is a carbon" dealy is way too far off. I don't see how a normal carbon with some modifications would be able to beat Sera.

Anyways, MegaMan HAS to be an artificial life form of some sort. There's no explanation. And if MegaMan was first class in the system, he must have been made. Heck, Yuna says he was "created." I don't think something that has been created could have such a high rank and still be a carbon.

(BTW, Carbon = Beta.)

Anyways, about the whole detachable arm dealy. Just LOOK at MegaMan's Vacuum Arm in the first game. -_-

[JMC47]

First off, I know a carbon is a beta, but you have to assume not everyone does, thats why I always mention both, the game is 4 years old, you can't expect everyone to still play it.(I still play it, once in while, for MMLE purposes though, studying terrain, ect).

I don't even think capcom or any of developers have decided what he is yet, I never got the vacuum arm, so I'm not sure what your talking about. Capcom has never been that reliable, and I do not know what they were/are thinking, they are either stupid, or evil or maybe both.(evil for not making the third game and leaving it a cliffhanger)

Megaman is different, we all know that. We don't know how different he is. SIMSteven's view is extreme in he is a robot. My views I believe is extreme in that he is DNA, or Genetically CREATED.(Yuna said he was created, and SIM has been using that to back up his theory.)

[GustaffGlyde]

I think, though I’m not sure, that what aarond is trying to say is that MM is an android whose body parts are synthetic. He appears human, but he was artificially created with organs and the such. Where a primitive robot would have gears and springs, MM would have synthetic skin or muscles that where grown and engineered by the advanced technology that the Master System had. This way, he has the human characteristics that he no doubt has and is still able to fit into the System where almost everyone is a machine of sort. It would still be hard to make a program that could so perfectly emulate human emotions, but it could be possible given enough time. Surely nobody in the Roman Empire would believe someone when they said we’d be flying around in jet airplanes someday, so it is indeed possible.

::)I’m probably wrong though…

Anyways, if this is what aarond was trying to say or not, I’m going to run with it because it allows me to piece together several theories. If he was synthetic like this, his brain could be a machine which would allow him to make a backup like Juno does. This would also explain his enhanced abilities. As for the fact that he grew up, if he was created using parts that, synthetic though they may be, were alive in some way he would be able to grow. He probably would have some sort of nano which would allow him to repair himself in an emergency.

Now to fit the old “test tube baby” theory in. If his parts were synthetic, they would have to be grown. It would be like a test tube baby, except he would be grown piece by piece and placed together. This also explains the “he was created” thing.

Still, this theory does carry my usual weird and “that’s just too absurd” quality. Oh well…

As for the vacuum arm, I think I can explain this. I’m no programmer, but I’m going to guess that the vacuum arm is a mess up. You see, when you equip a special weapon, the weapon is attached to the same point on his arm regardless of the weapon. With most weapons, this is okay because they’re fairly big, but the vacuum arm is just a tiny little fan. That arm, like the others, is attached at the same point on MM’s arm as the other weapons, but due to its lack of substance, it looks like he got his arm cut off and replaced by a vacuum. Capcom just didn’t bother changing things for one trivial weapon. It’s just a guess though…

I do agree with JMC that Capcom itself probably isn’t 100% sure about some of this stuff. If only there was someone we could ask that actually worked on the game. Then again, if we all knew everything about the game and every question we had was answered, then this forum wouldn’t be much more than “what is your favorite *insert something here*” threads. Making up theories is just fun, but I still hope that Capcom will get the Legends staff off the Battle Network series and back on Legends… we should boycott the Battle Network series… though we wouldn’t make a dent in Capcom’s sales. *sigh*

[JMC47]

I was going through the N64 and testing vertices, and everytime with the same camera each weapon appeared to be at the same vertex.

Also, his arm was deleted when a a special weapon is on, the vertices are gone, I checked this with wire frame rasterization, which was used in a picture in the caption contest.

Megaman has muscles, most likely bleeds, he is genetically engineered. His DNA was hybrid, which allowed him to avoid disease and become relativetally strong, and very resilent, being able to take a lot of damage. It also gives him an evolutionary advantage of a reset of all systems, allowing him to survive.

DNA decides who you can be, his DNA could make him very smart, which it doesn't show, so I don't believe the Genetic engineers did that. . But to become strong he had to still practice and train, that explains why he was stronger in his "past life" Wow, that theory isn't that dumb... now for a dumb theory


Megaman is a toilet brain who had nano transmission and radiation

[SIMSteven]

Well, I started out with a similar idea like aarond's. I first thought that MegaMan was X (a long time ago, that is) and that MegaMan was given organic body parts.

Think of it this way: MegaMan was once a pure robot, but over the years of being in Elysium, MegaMan was given human characteristics and body parts. I took one aspect of Legends and turned it around. If Barrel, Glyde, Loath, Joe, etc. all are humans with robot body parts, then why can't be a robot with human body parts?

I carried this theory for quite a while. After some talking at GameFAQs, I changed over to the android theory. I could very well tell that MegaMan wasn't really a pure robot, because he ate and slept. So, I agreed with a few people in saying that he's an android.

After a while, I started to change from that. Just recently, in fact, by talking here on the boards. I kept the fact that MegaMan was an android, but after I totally found out that androids just don't basically grow up from babies, I formulated my new theory. And that theory is the one at the first post.

[JMC47]

We need to know more to really get a good theory, if there wasn't a first person view in the Master cutscenes that would of been a start. Unless we contact Capcom and they tell us, we most likely will never know. You'll always think your theory is correct until you find a theory more compatable with your state of mind and beliefs, your phycology and strength of ideas are strong factors of what you believe in. And on a scale of 1-10, I am a 10 in defending my ideas, I will only give in if I am completely beaten. Why do I put this, I am just warning that there will be no winner in this arguement, so why argue? I don't know, but I will argue anyway.

SIM, exactly what kind of android do you believe he is anyway. Is he constructed? Is he Artificially enhanced? Is he a robot with a human brain? Is he a processor with data files within a human body? Is he bla bla bla. To help me understand what your saying exactly, you would have to tell me exactly what sort of android he is, what is robotic, what is human, what is other.

[SIMSteven]

Well, for my theory to work, has has to have SOME body parts and his own DNA. When he got the Master's DNA, the two sort of merged.

As for MegaMan himself, he started out with synthetic everything. Even his blood and skin is sythetic. I'm kinda relating MegaMan to this pinball game I had a long time ago. It shows a person with have of his "shell" removed. Inside is all mechanics, but it's made to be a mock of a human. It even has a stomach and everything.

To give you a clearer idea, take a look at the old Terminator 2 movie poster. He LOOKS human on the outside, but with the cut-away of his face, he's robot underneath.

Now actually, I'm not going THAT far, but close enough. I'd say that MegaMan's muscles are robotic, and instead, he has organs that are synthetic, but fleshy. Kinda like a skin graft, only internal. His brain is also posotronic like Yuna's and Sera's.

But after post-DNA merge, MegaMan's synthetic parts became more real, like an evolution. The stomach became a real stomach, the brain became a real brain, etc. That would explain why his old posotronic brain is very undeveloped in the game. Because he didn't learn much, and didn't really learn how to read as good. (At least in the first game. We all know he loves comics.)

[JMC47]

True true, he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, he is like a butter knife in a room with steak knives. I don't think that people understand what you can do with DNA changes, you can change DNA enough(with evolution and genetic engineering) to possibly give metal bones and really messed up stuff. Metal bones may not be possible, but with DNA changes, you could do a lot more that with a robot. DNA can change bone strength, brain power, even your skills, even though training will raise skills, your a natural at somethings. You have to be seeing what I'm saying also. Sera and Yuna... no comment, I could see them as either, really I'm leaning toward android, but they have emotions, which is the only reason I don't fully believe that they are androids.

[GustaffGlyde]

Well, I’m going to stick to the “synthetic” theory.

I don’t think his bones could be metal because bones do perform certain vital processes which deal with your blood (hence why people need bone marrow transplants). What I believe makes him stronger is the included nanos. Sure, that sounds weird, but it is possible. I guess I’ll explain what the nanos are to make it clearer.

Basically, a nano refers to one billionth of a part, such as in a measurement. Therefore, a nano(bot) would refer to a robot that is extremely small. Their purpose for existing in MM’s body is to quickly repair wounds and increase his efficiency. Since nanos are so tiny, around an atomic or sub-atomic level, they can manipulate atoms and molecules to easily repair things. Remember, no matter can be destroyed. It simply changes form. Therefore, these robots would be able to retrieve basic atoms and rearrange them to repair MM’s body. Over time, they could even rebuild his entire body. This would explain MM’s resilience.

Also, because his body is synthetic, it could very well have been enhanced. Not so much in a “robotic” kind of way with metallic frames, but with skin and other parts that was engineered to be stronger. His brain is a bit harder to explain.

Either it is synthetic with enhancements or is a machine much like that of a computer.

The synthetic brain is odd because it leaves things such as MM’s ability to transfer memories to Data and back almost impossible. With a natural brain, this is impossible, at least as far as I know. There could be some minor enhancements to the brain, maybe a minor implant such as the “hard drive” Justin mentioned earlier. I think they’d have something that would be both compact and efficient, so an implant such as that would be possible.

The Machine brain seems to make some think I’m a lunatic, but it isn’t possible given the advancement of technology. Basically, it’s a machine shaped like a brain. Given the technology available in their day, they could fit an almost unimaginable amount of data into the brain.

Also, although it would be extremely hard it could be possible to make a program that could emulate emotions. It wouldn’t be a program in the sense that it tells you “if this than do this”, but something that allows it to learn overtime how humans interact and pick up on it themselves.

They would already be programmed with a basic knowledge such as how to speak and the such, but they would be able to learn the same way humans do. In this sense, there would be little to no difference between humans and machines if given enough time. This could also explain why Sera is so cold while Yuna is so friendly.

Basically, since Sera spent most all of here time monitoring the system she would be subjected to a minimal amount of emotions, so she appears emotionless and very introverted. It’d be like someone living in their basement with a computer for the rest of their lives, only seeing their parents and occasionally a friend. They would have limited social abilities.

Yuna on the other hand had a job that forced her to be around Betas who were modeled after humans. She would eventually pick up on the human emotions which made her more friendly and extroverted. Of course, this would explain how he could transfer his memories into Data. Data himself wasn’t much of a memory storage unit, so only his memories of the Master were able to be saved along with some vital data which was used to reconstruct him after the Geetz battle.

There is no actual definition of a positronic brain because it is a fictional creation of science fiction, but a general definition of a positronic brain is an extremely sophisticated computation device. This device consists of an artificial neural network, designed to imitate the human brain. In other words, if something had such a brain they would wither be an android or an artificial human. We know both sera and Yuna have such a brain, and MM most likely has one as well. It wouldn’t look like a giant computer crammed into the limited cranial area, but it would perfectly emulate a human brain in appearance and function and allow the once who posses it to both grow, advance, and learn.

You know, my theories are crazy, stupid, weird, bizarre, and so on. You know what else? I don’t care. Striving for “logical” or “smart” theories prevents you from experimenting with things. There are many things logic can’t explain. Simply put, sometimes it is the bizarre theories that are closer to the truth than the logical ones.

For example, let’s say you lived way back when, before the boat was invented. Logic told you that things that went into deep water sunk. Sure, you could see leaves floating on the water, but you knew that a leaf couldn’t keep you afloat. Still, you decide that it is possible to build something that would float. Smart people call you crazy, insane, they say you’ll die and that you’re an idiot. Granted, after many tries it did indeed seem like they were right, but then came that fateful day when you put your little raft of sticks in the water and slowly climbed aboard. You clenched your fist because logic told you that you would fail, but soon you found that your beliefs and theories had conquered those who followed the and never strayed from the paths of logic and smarts.

Alright, what was the point of that? Simply put, no theory is “dumb” or “stupid”. No one can prove their theory as an absolute truth, and therefore no theory is completely impossible. Some may come out without thought, but here that is rare. Well, I’m getting off track… the whole reason being because someone claimed all the previous theories were stupid.

Ah, nothing like a good/bad mini-rant to get you way off track. Well, there is my theory. The more I develop it, the more I like it. Stupid? Sure. Insane? Probably. Correct? Nobody, maybe not even Capcom, knows.

All in all, we have to remember that Legends is a game based on a science fiction universe. Everything in it from “Carbons” to “The System” are basic elements of such fiction. In short, almost anything is possible in such a world.

Also, the reason for this thread isn’t really to have an all out war of theories, but to come together and share our various theories and see where everyone stands. It may degenerate into a fight, but hopefully it won’t. You needn’t change your theory, just remain open minded. Consider each and every theory as if it were fact and think about how it would fit into the Legends universe. We can then decide what we ultimately believe… at least until Legends 3 comes out and gives us the correct answer…

::)Maybe I'm just going crazy...