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Post by mchobo on Feb 6, 2014 23:16:50 GMT -5
"If ever there was a Game Mod section, that'd be useful for developers/modders. My suggestion is to make it independent of any paticular sections (such as MML, MML2 etc)-- that way all modders can colaberate or share ideas without being separated by game, but united by the same desire to modify the series. Like that, anyone currently in the scene, and any newcomers can come together in a centralized spot for the sake of modding. I'd think a spot on the main forum page would be a good one, that way it could be easily found/searched.
Note: I realize I'm new to this forum, and I'm not trying to tell anyone how to run anything, I'm just sharing my opinion. I understand this forum has a certain set of rules that it follows, so if this suggestion is in any violation of any rules, or if it is seen as unsatisfactory - and is therefore rejected, I will not take offense and there will be no hard feelings. "
NOTE: This text was directly ripped from another one of my threads and made into a independent thread. It was not edited, and is actually part of a conversation.
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Post by Dashe on Feb 7, 2014 15:58:45 GMT -5
I think the best way to approach this would be to make a sticky, catchall modding thread in the General Legends section. General Legends doesn't restrict you by game, so that would take care of the "sharing ideas without being separated by game" bit. Unfortunately, unless for some reason every potential MML modder on the internet decides to coordinate their efforts and flock to MMLS at the same time to concentrate their efforts as a cohesive unit, a whole board dedicated to modding would be impractical at best. Usually we only have 2-3 modders visiting with any sense of regularity at any given time.
You could, in the meantime, look around the generalized game modding community to try and see if there'd be anyone interested out there in checking these games out and bring 'em here if you're looking to attract some more people to talk tech with. That would, if not fix the "there wouldn't be enough people to make this conceivably viable" problem entirely, at least provide you with ample manpower to make some decent strides in the area.
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Post by mchobo on Feb 7, 2014 20:00:30 GMT -5
Well to be honest, if I wasn't here, I wouldn't be anywhere else. I usually do game modifications on my own, and don't collaborate or join communities. I guess it goes to that thing I said about not really joining forums.
I guess a "sticky, catchall modding thread" might have to do. However, the problem I see is that if it all is in the same thread, then it would be hard to divide it by topic since not all game modding on the same subject/topic.(Example: Texture modding and Package decompression. They may both relate to modding, but are two completely independent subjects.) And in the end, the thread may become so bloated that it would cease to be really useful - but more of a puzzle.
Moreover, if there were multiple modding threads that were sticky -- as the sticky threads increased, they would eventually overshadow all of the standard threads. (Example: Texture modification, Decompression, compression, Hexing data. That's already four possible threads, now imagine if they were all sticky. And now imagine if they were all in the same thread.)
In the end, I understand that a Modding thread would be impractical at the moment. But maybe in the future that might change.
Regardless if there if there is a modding section, or not I will still continue to develop my tools, and do research. I don't have a place to call home for all of my work/research, but if it is okay with the community here, I'd like to call this place home for the time being.
The truth is that if I didn't publish my work here, I wouldn't do it anywhere else. With that said, I hope to publish all of my findings on this forum, and maybe one day when I'm not around anymore, someone could pickup where I leave off, and the modding legacy could continue without me. (That's kinda why I'm so willing to share my findings.)
(Btw, the reason I chose Legends-station is because I found some threads related to Game Modification through a Google Search. Legends-Station seemed to have the most forum activity related to game modification, but even then it wasn't very much.)
(On a side note, I've posted a thread on capcom unity, with the hope to attract attention to the scene, and to this forum.)
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Post by Chiz on Feb 7, 2014 22:53:15 GMT -5
mchobo, what I've been doing is when I have a new topic I want to discuss about a game - some different element regarding the documentation effort - I just put a new thread in the game's appropriate subforum. I've easily had half a dozen threads about various topics in the MML2 section about my efforts in DASH2PC documentation (typing 'DASH2PC' into the search area in the MML2 area will usually result in all of these threads, because I exclusively refer to MML2 as 'DASH2PLATFORM' in the research context. If you want, you could prepend a small, logical tag like "[DASH1PC Science]" to your thread names, making them easier to spot from the search results. If there was enough incoming information, it would make sense for there to be a public wiki for all of the information to be organized on, with links to the individual forum threads, instead of a subforum where the information would still not be sufficiently logically sorted.
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Post by Santa Melty on Feb 8, 2014 1:27:54 GMT -5
If I could add my two cents, I think a new forum section for modding sounds fine. There may only be a handful of modders here, but as noted, there have been a reasonable number of threads made. And having these threads in a single dedicated sub-forum seem cleaner than having them spread out across the vast legends discussion section. It might not be the end-all solution as far as thread organization goes, but I think it would be a step up. In fact, the legends discussion section in general seems like a bad place for modding discussions to me. Modding strikes me as an undertaking more akin to fangame creation. As far as organizational concerns go, I can imagine a dedicated modding sub-section in the art forum working nicely. On this issue, I take more of a "build it and they will come" mentality. Attract people here instead of going out and searching for them. If, as mchobo suggests, there really are a bunch of independent modders out there wandering the internet-wasteland with nowhere to call home, a dedicated sub-forum would be an open invitation to them. It would allow them to more easily find each other and share their findings, and perhaps even attract new blood to the modding scene simply by highlighting the fact that a Legends modding community exists. Alternatively, if it turns out there isn't much broader interest, I don't think we stand to lose much. What does it mean for a sub-forum to not be "viable"? That it risks languishing in inactivity for long periods of time? That describes most of the existing sub-forums, though. Does it mean there's a risk of it devolving into two/three-man back and forth discussions? That's been the RP section for a while now (though in the case of modding discussions, I do think that even if there aren't many people involved, there is some benefit to them happening out in the open instead of over PM or on some private wiki). It might be a little awkward to have yet another inactive sub-forum, but we're not going to lose the farm or anything. And in the meantime, our thread situation gets a bit more orderly.
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Post by mchobo on Feb 8, 2014 12:34:21 GMT -5
I feel that @emeltee makes some good points.
It would be difficult luring anyone here if there was no leverage. (Game Modding content makes good leverage.)
For the time being, I guess I'll be taking @chiz's advice.
Whatever the case, I presented my idea and now it's all in the hands of the forum moderators; I'm not much of a forum user, so I'm sure their judgement is better than mine.
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Post by Dashe on Feb 8, 2014 13:40:09 GMT -5
How many modding threads have we got, total, anyway?
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Post by Chiz on Feb 8, 2014 14:28:14 GMT -5
I couldn't give you an accurate count, but I'd be shocked if there were over 25 since the founding of MMLS, for any and all game in the series including whatever is left of the Adventure Tour threads (likely not much).
I still say, though, that organizing discoveries, statistics, and raw information with a forum is not the way to do it. I won't suggest a wiki is the ideal, but it's worked for me thus far.
EDIT: I will concede though that there might be more threads if there were more people interested in the subject. It's difficult to have a dozen threads of seemingly mindless rambling and talking to oneself without being called crazy.
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