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Post by Loken on Jun 29, 2012 1:54:15 GMT -5
So the Legends world is basicly set in a time of world peace where, despite the air pirates, there is no war. My question is: Is this world peace because of the carbon's relience on one another to survive, or because of the Master's system and reinitialization? The most important thing in the Legends universe is energy. Energy supplied by quantum refractors that diggers find in ancient ruins of civilization. So does war not exist because they depend on each other for energy? And if refractors became scarce would there be conflict over the limited amount remaining? At the beginning of MML1 where it talks about diggers and the motherlode it says if it were to be found the world would never need fear running out of energy. If it were to be found would it guarantee world peace? Bluecher thinks it would greatly benefit mankind, but would it actually tear it apart? There would be no need to rely on each other anymore. In all honesty there doesn't even need to be a reason for war. So is the only thing that prevents war and preserves the Halcyon Days the Master's System? Resetting humanity at preset points in it's growth to prevent a struggle for resources. Perhaps this is the only way the Master saw to sustain world peace. The next question is: Is the Master's system really peace? Great disasters every 100 year or so that wipes out current life and replaces with new life does seem like peace. And if it is peace it's a shallow cynical version. After watching the Carbons and spending his time with Trigger the Master realized this. So does the Master think that allowing humanity to run it's course and have true freedom is more important than having eternal peace? Now that the Master system has been destroyed/disabled does that mean that eventually Halcyon Days will be no more? (For the sake of good discussion lets ignore the Elder system since we don't know anything about it.) Edit: If you do mention the Elder system thats okay, just have a good theory that we can discuss properly.  |
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Post by HF on Jun 29, 2012 2:44:51 GMT -5
So the Legends world is basicly set in a time of world peace where, despite the air pirates, there is no war. My question is: Is this world peace because of the carbon's relience on one another to survive, or because of the Master's system and reinitialization I believe that it isn't particularly because of survival that war does not exist, but the fact that there is no actual motive for it (as you said). If anything, the act of survival itself is an easy motive for conflict, but nothing near the scale of the 'wars' we have been led to be familiar with. As for the Master System being a 'shallow cynical version' of peace, I would like to think it's justified; for all we know, the shallow and cynical means to an end may just only be as shallow and cynically necessary to achieve the end sought for. |
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Post by SketchMan3 on Jun 29, 2012 10:38:44 GMT -5
Can I get some kind of source for the concept that the Legend's world has no war? I don't think anything in the Legends world can guarantee (Edit:<permanent>) world peace. A lot like this real world we live in. |
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Post by Loken on Jun 29, 2012 11:56:49 GMT -5
Legens is set in 'The Halcyon Days' (DASH meaning Digouters Adventure Story in Halcyondays) Here is the definition of Halcyon days from wikipedia: Halcyon Days are the seven days in winter when storms never occur. In popular use, it can also mean to harken back to an earlier time, remembered as idyllic, whether accurately or not. The meaning in popular culture also refers to calm, peaceful days. In fact Legends is even mentioned on the page! While their are pirates and such, there arn't belligerent countries at war with each other and besides individual island governments the only other authority is the diggers guild. Edit, for fun here's the poem by Walt Whitman: classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/wwhitman/bl-ww-halcyon.htmIt's one of my favorites next to oh captain my captain. |
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Post by Kyle on Jun 29, 2012 21:31:26 GMT -5
My question is: Is this world peace because of the carbon's relience on one another to survive, or because of the Master's system and reinitialization? Don't mind me - just taking Occam's razor to this thread. :41: |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 14:18:48 GMT -5
Long post is long as I have a fanon theory:
Ever since 20XX, there had been a war between Humans and Robot Masters/ Reploids. Technically, the war had stopped between them in Zero 4. There's a bit of a conflict in the ZX series, but it's not as bad as it was before. As far as we know, the only wars that ever in this timeline ever since 21XX would be between Reploids and Humans and it became extremely bad as we enter the Zero era.
Now, far in the Robotics timeline (my nickname for this timeline to differentiate it from the Networks timeline) the war between Humans and Reploids are no more. The citizens of Terra seem to prefer to try and survive than waging war with anyone. As far as we know, each island has Ruins to explore and despite pirates, no one's trying to fight for more land, energy or something else.
Why is it like this? I think that it's a mix of The Master System and the fact that the Carbons don't see a need to fight against one another.
What could tear the peace apart? Maybe the Elder System being reactivated and each Island would blame Diggers/ Pirates for triggering it? Sudden shortage of Refractors?
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Post by Loken on Jul 2, 2012 15:16:30 GMT -5
My question is: Is this world peace because of the carbon's relience on one another to survive, or because of the Master's system and reinitialization? Don't mind me - just taking Occam's razor to this thread. :41: All megaman games are rated E and deal with war so I don't see your point? If it's 'your over thinking it' then I already know that, this is lore speculation afterall. |
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Post by Kyle on Jul 2, 2012 15:26:59 GMT -5
All megaman games are rated E and deal with war so I don't see your point? If it's 'your over thinking it' then I already know that, this is lore speculation afterall. Nuh-uh. The Classic Mega Man games on the NES never really had a definitive rating system, and the X-series on the SNES were, at the time, rated KA (Kids to Adults).  I know it's a grasping technicality, but give me a break... |
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Post by Loken on Jul 2, 2012 15:43:29 GMT -5
I think so too Steffie. I think the idea is that the Carbons are reinitialized before they ever even have a reason to go to war. @hf True but it makes you wonder what the point of world peace is in the first place if everyone gets killed anyway. Like how Stalin solved the Russian famines by killing the people who were starving. Does it really solve the problem? @gpow/Kyle Okay you can have a break. You have any theories yourself? |
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Post by Kyle on Jul 2, 2012 17:45:48 GMT -5
Hmm... Let's see. Is the Master System truly peace? No, I don't believe so. What is there to gain from systematically wiping out all organic life every century? All it does is bring the Carbons back to square one. If true-peace is ever to exist, it has to come into fruition by the will and mutual understanding of the Carbons alone. Not some third party that regards them more as livestock than people. Look at it this way. The Air Pirates are usually the main source of conflict in the Legends series. However, most of them only do this as a means to survive, and would gladly either retire, or seek out a means of honest living instead. i.e. Bola and the Bonne family So... peace isn't too far off. Sure, there'll be a few bad eggs every now and again, like Lex Loath and Glyde. They were just a bunch of asses. |
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Post by Loken on Jul 2, 2012 17:56:05 GMT -5
Thats a good point! Do you think the Carbons could sustain peace themselves if they started running out of refractors?
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Post by Mikéy on Jul 2, 2012 19:12:20 GMT -5
Ehh... Nope.
If there was ever going to be a reason to start a *ahem* "war", or "streetfights" at the very least, it'd be a shortage of the only source of currency and power in the [Legends] world. When you run out, you'd need more, would you not? Unless you were to wind up on the street as a homeless person, you'd likely result to thievery or "go pirate" to get the money / power to sustain any appliances or ships, and feed yourself; thus resulting in conflict.
Thankfully, ruins seem to be plentiful in the Legends world, so they never have to worry about refractor shortages ever popping up, in theory.
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Post by HF on Jul 2, 2012 19:16:46 GMT -5
I think whatever 'shortage' is only because only a handful of people are capable enough to retrieve them. And that's a good thing from the player's perspective.
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Post by Mikéy on Jul 2, 2012 19:34:29 GMT -5
Right. I wasn't looking at the phrase with an open mind. Becoming a digger would solve any shortage problems in a jiffy, should one be brave enough. Loken never mentioned the ruins running out of refractors, after all.  |
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Post by Kyle on Jul 2, 2012 19:38:17 GMT -5
Loken never mentioned the ruins running out of refractors, after all. Pssh. What does it even matter? I've got three words that could solve every Refractor issue in all of Terra. King. Miroc. Farming. |
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