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Post by Raven8 on Jul 22, 2011 21:18:17 GMT -5
Another tactic that we could use in addition to the direct approach is to go after other companies that have some stake in Capcom in one way or another.
Archie Comics is running the new MegaMan comic.
megaman@archiecomics.com
Nintendo Power has recently run an add for the Legends 2
pulse@nintendopower.com
Marvel is actively working with Capcom for the MVC titles
(Looking for the e-mail address)
With enough pressure, we may be able to at least get a mention from these companies to Capcom. Combined with our existing direct efforts, it may be a help.
And worst-case, it's a way to kill 2 mins. venting >_>
Are there any other companies that suit these lines?
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Post by Dr. Jerk on Jul 22, 2011 23:07:41 GMT -5
Why would they care about Legends 3? Archive Comics is doing comics of the Classic series, and even though they mentioned the possible idea of Legends-related comics, it wouldn't be anytime soon and it's not a definite thing. Nintendo Power is just reporting games, and they have faced many cancelled games before and went on. And Marvel is concerned with Marvel vs Capcom only. Sure Tron was in it, but to them, she's just another fighter and frankly, she is.
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Post by Raven8 on Jul 22, 2011 23:11:37 GMT -5
Someone posted it on the 100,000 strong board, so I just figured I'd relay it.
The potential value is very low, I admit, but if Capcom realizes that we're going to their business partners as disgruntaled customers, then that MAY end up having some impact.
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Post by Dr. Jerk on Jul 22, 2011 23:13:57 GMT -5
The thing is, they most likely wouldn't care as much as we do, and thus their thoughts won't affect Capcom.
And even if it did, I doubt it would persuade them otherwise.
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Post by Dashe on Jul 22, 2011 23:20:37 GMT -5
Legends 3's cancellation in favor of more mainstream, gritty, violent software is sending a message that the only people who play video games are older gamers, mostly male, who like that sort of thing. Capcom is a huge name in gaming right now, and their decisions will likely influence a lot of other third party developers as well.
The catch is, that nobody but Nintendo seems to realize that there are parents buying games out there for their kids, too. Gaming is steadily, rapidly evolving into an adult-oriented medium, if it isn't already there, which means that fewer parents are going to be buying game systems for their kids. There won't be as much growing up on gaming anymore, since the parents are seeing fewer and fewer titles like Legends that not only look kid-friendly, but make it feel good to do good deeds in the game instead of making kids more violent.
Even looking at Operation Rainfall, that shows that RPGs, which are more likely to have a brighter, more cheerful atmosphere to them, aren't warranting attention in the US. There's a good chance this might not even be about Mega Man anymore, since the facebook group has achieved affiliation with numerous Tales pages. It's about telling the world that there's a market for people who don't want to play photorealistic shooters and beat-em-ups. We just have to get them all united.
It might even extend to anyone who believes strongly that mainstream animation shouldn't just be for kids, too. Who knows?
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Post by Dr. Jerk on Jul 22, 2011 23:23:47 GMT -5
There's always been concerns about video games of those sort, and nothing's ever really be done to break the mold. Hate to sound overly negative like always, but the cancellation of Legends 3 won't really change anything in gaming.
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Post by Raven8 on Jul 22, 2011 23:31:01 GMT -5
My only true argument in this matter is that these are some of the stakeholders in Capcom's business practice. If word reaches them that they've done something like this to the fans, it's possible that they may re-evaluate their positions, or at least bring Capcom's attention to the efforts.
While I can generally agree with your last point, Dashe's own point refutes it somewhat. We are the ones who grew up on MegaMan Legends, Zelda: OOC, Banjo Kazooie, and countless other games along these lines that even predate these classics. We are a largely untapped group of potential customers that are being ignored. If we come together, like we're all doing now, and show them that we are a viable market, we may begin to see a change in trends, or at least some additional catering to our tastes as well.
I admit, this tactic is a long-shot. But aren't the majority of us here to support a game that's been dead in the water for 10 years?
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Post by Loken on Jul 22, 2011 23:53:47 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think going to any of those people will help. They really don't care, and Legends 3's cancelation won't really effect them that much.
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Post by Dashe on Jul 23, 2011 0:35:19 GMT -5
You know, I've been saying it off and on again all week in regards to Capcom, but the only shots you're guaranteed to miss are the ones you don't take. Why not take a risk and go for it anyway? You'd be at least in a better position than Capcom's in by at least trying.
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Post by Loken on Jul 23, 2011 0:39:43 GMT -5
Of course, but what would you say to them? 'Please pressure Capcom to release the Prototype.' I think Marvel and Archive would just shrug their shoulders.
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Post by Dashe on Jul 23, 2011 0:56:32 GMT -5
Half the time it isn't what you say, it's how you say it. Word it well and you could get supporters you never even knew existed.
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Post by Dragge on Jul 23, 2011 1:28:51 GMT -5
I agree with you raven8. You know I was thrilled when Nintendo released Donkey Kong Country Returns and made me think about the days when video games were indeed kid friendly but challenging in some way. I miss those days (but I relive them on my still working snes)
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Post by Dr. Jerk on Jul 23, 2011 13:29:55 GMT -5
You know I was thrilled when Nintendo released Donkey Kong Country Returns and made me think about the days when video games were indeed kid friendly but challenging in some way. I miss those days (but I relive them on my still working snes) Nintendo and Nintendo Power are different, and run by different staff. |
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Post by merkyone on Jul 23, 2011 16:22:58 GMT -5
Here's another thing to consider:
You may say 'the Legends 3 cancellation won't change anything about gaming.'
What, then, would be considered a change? I see an active fan base, albeit maybe a fan base that hasn't been quite so interested in a lot of recent games, uniting over what they see as a grievous injustice. Not only are the fans mobilizing, but it looks like other gaming corporations have taken notice of the cancellation. If we're waiting for something that will make EVERYONE who plays video games stand up and shout, I'd say that day probably won't ever come.
The scale of the 'Revive MML3' movement is already pretty big, even if it's not the biggest in the history of games and agitated fans. I suggest that no matter how easy it is to be pessimistic, we should still direct our efforts to ANYTHING that could/might/would/will get Legends 3 more attention, including pressuring other companies and possibly making ourselves look dumb in the process.
It's simply worth it!
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Post by Dashe on Jul 23, 2011 16:36:09 GMT -5
If you're smart about how you word it, you won't even need to risk looking dumb. The only thing you risk approaching another company with a level head, a mature outlook, and a cause that makes sense is a 'no.' If they say no or don't answer, you shrug it off and move on to the next one.
It's like what Wally Wingert once said about auditioning. When you go in for a reading, you have to leave and get it completely out of your mind so it doesn't eat at you for weeks, and you're not expecting a yes or a no. That way the no hurts less and the yes is a nice, welcome surprise.
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